Originally Posted by io Their are fair critiques of the Wii U but at least half of your bullet points were complete nonsense. And your insults of Nintendo fans says more about you than about them... No one here is foaming at the mouth with Nintendo fanboyism so your responses are way overboard. I think the point others were making is that there is pretty much no scenario whatsoever in which Cheapy would be interested in Nintendo's new console. He just isn't into their IPs, and he's made it pretty clear that for multiplatform stuff he'd go with 360 (or now PC more and more). So I think what people are getting at is that it isn't a useful discussion when he's got no interest whatsoever. If Nintendo had come out with a more powerful next gen system that dirched motion controls and aped what MS and Sony have done there would be just as many criticisms of that. It most likely still wouldn't be quite as powerful as their next systems so that would be viewed as pointless as well. At least they tried a different way and of you don't like it, then fine - but it wasn't some colossal mistake or insult that they came out with this system. It just isn't for some people. My kids had a blast last night with the Scribblenauts game I gave my son for his birthday. Even my stereotypical 12-year old die-hard 360 fanboy son (who says a lof of the same kinds of things you do I might add ) insisted on having a turn with the gamepad.

Wow two kids like a new game, if they want to make games for 12 year olds or guys who can't afford some square footage in a home or think quality time with the wife is playing games in proximity of them focusing on your cheap feeling tablet controller while she watches tv than this is the system for you. Some of us act like grownups and arent into hundreds of dollars for shit. For core gamers and people with more than enough higher quality tvs and tablets than wii U we feel like Cheapy. Useful discussion. Amazing Nintendo fans can't even listen to Nintendo being called out or just hearing someone say they have no interest. There are so many issues with this system, the GameStop in CT I go their manager stated they have to ask people to buy like "if you want fries with that". If you want to buy a system for future Nintendo games enjoy but do you even think 12 quality Nintendo games will be released 3 years from now? How many as an adult male will even appeal to you? Be honest than go back to your 3ds and enjoy your Mario rpg sticker game as well.

^ I haven't picked up Paper Mario Sticker Star yet but I plan to some day . It's too bad you can't enjoy all types of games and have to stick to the macho shit.

And I never said there aren't issues. But some of the ones you brought up are meaningless. Oh, it can't play DVD's or blu-rays? Wow, how horrible. But then you contradict yourself above because I guess that would only be an issue to "guys who can't afford some square footage" such that they need one device to do everything. Most of us have a PS3 or, you know, a DVD player, to watch movies on.

Likewise with "upconverting". Who cares - I'm sure you think all Wii games are garbage anyway, so why does it matter if it upconverts or not?

I didn't want to get into a whole thing, here. But you need to recognize you are 10 times the anti-Nintendo fanboy than anyone on CAG is an actual Nintendo fanboy. Plus your ability to reason and comprehend is in serious question. This part proves that: "Amazing Nintendo fans can't even listen to Nintendo being called out or just hearing someone say they have no interest". That's not what anyone said - it is the very fact that Cheapy has no interest in it that makes it not a great topic for any extended discussion on the CAGcast. It's perfectly fine and understandable that he has no interest in it. No one is arguing that or trying to convince him to like it. It just doesn't make for great discussion - that's all.

And just to show you I don't think it is all peaches and cream with the Wii U, I'll point out what I think is the single biggest flaw in the system: the gamepad doesn't hold nearly enough of a charge. That session of Scribblenauts we had the other night couldn't have been more than 2 hours total and the gamepad ran down and we had to put it back on the charging cradle, essentially ending our ability to play. That is a huge flaw and would kill any extended gaming sessions with an epic game like Mass Effect 3 or any potential upcoming RPGs and the like.

I just might have to check out Rock Band 3. For the swan song of the plastic instrument genre to still get Cheapy's attention after all this time and not have been eternally shelved alongside the Kinect, it must be doing something right.

Originally Posted by bnl11311 Isn't fair and objective the Fox News motto basically? I mean you gotta see the humor in using their motto to both knock cagcast and compliment bombcast. There was nothing said about the Wii U which wasn't spot on. Nobody is rushing to the store to buy minigames or rushing home from work to get some more mii and minigames in. The guy is a father and he would not buy one for his kid. What could be more fair and what more do you need to know? People aren't buying the vita and the Wii U is struggling for the at least ten reasons I listed. What part was so offensive? Obviously American soccer moms agree with the guy. I think you need to get over your love and defense of a company and try some objectivity along with the rest of the Nintendo twihards.

1. I said fox not fox news.
2. Fox new's slogan is "fair and balanced".
3. Even if everything they said was accurate that doesn't mean that the omitted the the positive points, nor that disproportionally focused on the negative.
4. No other source I've heard from said they had trouble playing with the WiiPad a room away, nor did they imply that a consoles launch problems are representative of the consoles abilities.
5. Where did I ever say it was "offensive", and if I'm just some fanboy who is upset over criticism how come I had no problem with the bombcast ripping into nintendo? It sound like your the one offened over my criticism of the cagcast. I think you need to get over your love and defense of the cagcast and try some objectivity.

Originally Posted by io ^ I haven't picked up Paper Mario Sticker Star yet but I plan to some day . It's too bad you can't enjoy all types of games and have to stick to the macho shit. And I never said there aren't issues. But some of the ones you brought up are meaningless. Oh, it can't play DVD's or blu-rays? Wow, how horrible. But then you contradict yourself above because I guess that would only be an issue to "guys who can't afford some square footage" such that they need one device to do everything. Most of us have a PS3 or, you know, a DVD player, to watch movies on. Likewise with "upconverting". Who cares - I'm sure you think all Wii games are garbage anyway, so why does it matter if it upconverts or not? I didn't want to get into a whole thing, here. But you need to recognize you are 10 times the anti-Nintendo fanboy than anyone on CAG is an actual Nintendo fanboy. Plus your ability to reason and comprehend is in serious question. This part proves that: "Amazing Nintendo fans can't even listen to Nintendo being called out or just hearing someone say they have no interest". That's not what anyone said - it is the very fact that Cheapy has no interest in it that makes it not a great topic for any extended discussion on the CAGcast. It's perfectly fine and understandable that he has no interest in it. No one is arguing that or trying to convince him to like it. It just doesn't make for great discussion - that's all. And just to show you I don't think it is all peaches and cream with the Wii U, I'll point out what I think is the single biggest flaw in the system: the gamepad doesn't hold nearly enough of a charge. That session of Scribblenauts we had the other night couldn't have been more than 2 hours total and the gamepad ran down and we had to put it back on the charging cradle, essentially ending our ability to play. That is a huge flaw and would kill any extended gaming sessions with an epic game like Mass Effect 3 or any potential upcoming RPGs and the like.

Again be honest with yourself. It was like 3 minutes of discussion and most questions were passed to a Wii U owner. Anything negative about Nintendo should not qualify as not a great discussion. It is perfectly acceptable to hear people call out the fact a couple hundred people play blackops on Wii U while a couple hundred thousand play on 360 and ps3.

So again be honest more or less than 12 first party games in 3 years? How many do you want involving stickers? Grow up

For the guy who said fox and not Fox News... How many Obama discussions do you hear on fox? Fair and balanced is basically the same as fair and objective but obviously we are parsing too fine a point for Nintendo fans so enjoy your minigames and waiting for Nintendo to make half a dozen games in the next 18 months

Wow, first that delusional Wii U article on that SG website, and now something equally as, if not more, nutty on the opposite end of the spectrum. It's been quite a week on this here Internet.

Analysis: User continually resorts to straw man arguments and over-generalized insults. Avoids making any substantive argument or cogent and/or coherent points. D-style and signs of insecurity indicates college student, possibly high school.

Conclusion: Most attempts at reasoning will prove futile. User has convinced himself that he is undoubtedly correct and has formed a delusional, overly-simplistic scenario that he retreats to when challenged. Not worth the time or effort.

Am I crazy or do I remember there being a bet about family guy and the awful lip sync around E3? I could be wrong.

Also watches please.

Originally Posted by io Damn, Wombat, Amazon would not give me $4.99 back when they dropped Battlefield 3 from $29.99 to $25. The rep went away for a long time, and came back and said that is against their policy. So, yeah, contrary to what Cheapy said, Amazon actually kind of sucks for price matching/adjusting. Any given rep is YMMV as Wombat discovered, but in general they do not do that sort of thing any more.

Yeah, Amazon is totally YMMV as far as price-matches/adjustments go. Officially, they have no policy, so it largely depends on which rep you get, and even then, it seems like their default answer to any strange new queries is "no," unless there's a PR rep saying otherwise.

They did that with that awesome Black Friday Vita bundle, where the customer service reps initially said that people who bought it right after the price changed (but before the bonuses appeared) wouldn't get the bonuses, they apparently held to that line until AmazonJosh confirmed that anyone who bought it after the price change would get the bonuses. Certainly made me paranoid enough to cancel my initial order and reorder when the Gold Box section of the page was updated.

bnlwhatever - 12 great first party games in 3 years would be awesome! That alone would justify my purchase of the Wii U. I don't see what your point is in brining that up as a negative.

But yeah, I'm done here with the Wii U stuff. Ships point on the CAGcast was spot on - you buy the Wii U knowing you will get some awesome first-party Nintendo games, and maybe a spattering of unique third-party stuff (we already know we are getting Rayman Legends for example). Anything else is just a bonus IMO. I certainly hope it does better but with people like bnl there to deal with we can see what an uphill road it has to dent the core 360/PS3 market.

The Wii U addresses 3 of the biggest criticisms of the Wii:

1) no HD - solved
2) friend codes - solved
3) waggle - for the most part, solved (only need Wii remotes for local multiplayer minigame stuff)

Others are still too be determined (like online play, third-party support, etc).

I bought a Wii U for a couple reasons. One is that I like Nintendo franchises for the most part and the Wii U is the only place I am going to be able to play them. Second, there are literally only a handful of games I can play on my Xbox 360 with my 7 year old daughter in the same room. I thought Forza Horizon would be safe only to hear one of the characters utter the phrase "Ass Clown."

I'm sure this isn't an issue for most CAGs, but as an older gamer and parent, it is nice to be able to enjoy my hobby without having to wait for my daughter to go to bed.

What was the name of the Call Me Maybe outro song?

everyone bought Sports Champions 2 because it came out less than a month ago and it was suppose to be $20 but they priced it at $10 as an error.

Oh and watch entry please

Loved your black Friday review. Was fun to hear about your Walmart experiences in particular. For me the games were in the meat department. And instead of a line it was a crowd around a pallet and as soon as 8:00 hit it was a feeding frenzy. The hour leading up to it was basically making deals with people on the other side to grab games for you while you grab games for them.

Also I would love that HMH prize.

I must say, I agree with Shipwreck. I too bought a Wii U at launch, and I have never been so underwhelmed with a new system. I will never forget the first time I booted up my 360 and played Condemned. I was truly blown away. Prior to that, I experienced the same feeling with Super Mario World and Super NES, Mario 64 and Nintendo 64, Dreamcast and Soul Calibur, etc, etc. The Wii U reminds me of the PS3. At launch, the PS3, one year removed from the 360's launch, gave us graphics not unlike anything we had seen on 360. Like the Wii U, the PS3 also launched with ports of games already available on other systems for much cheaper prices. However, it was the blu ray player that made me feel like I had my hands on a truly next generation device with the PS3. With the Wii U, that wow factor is simply non-existent. The feeling is more akin to “Wow, now Nintendo looks like 360 and PS3.” Despite those drawbacks, the one saving grace for the Wii U (at least for me) is the ability to play console games in a portable form. I love playing Black Ops 2, Assassin’s Creed III, and NBA 2K13 on the Wii U gamepad while my wife watches Real Whores of Orange County or whatever is showing on Bravo. Additionally, I’m somehow able to get reception in my bedroom. I’ll take Assassin’s Creed III in bed any day over Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja. For these reasons, I feel that the gamepad is the Wii U’s only innovative quality. As usual, Nintendo started it (i.e. force feedback and motion controls). Lets see if Microsoft and Sony can do it better.

Originally Posted by bnl11311 Fair and balanced is basically the same as fair and objective but obviously we are parsing too fine a point for Nintendo fans so enjoy your minigames and waiting for Nintendo to make half a dozen games in the next 18 months

Maybe basically the same, but it is not ironic as you claimed it was. Aka you where totally wrong.
I have no plans on buying a WiiU so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Have fun watching fox, buying the same football game year after year, and playing increasingly crappier Resident Evil games.

Thanks Cheapy, Ship and Wombat.

Cheapy's comment on not getting any games on BF if he could had me wondering what his backlog consists of. I'd be also interested on what kind of backlog Ship and Wombat have, if any. I've been trying to chip away at mine but BF kind of ruined that plan. It also doesn't help that I've been wanting a 3DS XL for a while and the Best Buy deal is sorely tempting me. In my mind, I'd want to clean it up before I pick up a new system.

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It seems to me that that the WiiU has been a pretty low-excitement system just as I suspected it would be. Until they get some serious games, and not just the Nintendo exclusives, they're not going to have much success breaking into the main sales.

Are there even new games out for the WiiU?
Have they done anything about the terrible online play that the Wii has?
What's the purpose of the Wii mini? It's got no internet connection; how are people supposed to watch netflix? (which is about the only thing it's good for anymore)

Put me in for the watch, it looks pretty sweet

Originally Posted by Martix_agent Are there even new games out for the WiiU?

Zombie U for one.

Originally Posted by Martix_agent Have they done anything about the terrible online play that the Wii has? What's the purpose of the Wii mini? It's got no internet connection; how are people supposed to watch netflix? (which is about the only thing it's good for anymore)

Well, first of all this is being released only (or at least test marketed first) in Canada so it is a non-issue for most of the world. But if it does come out here, it might be, you know, to play games? It is a gaming console after all. I'll repeat what many others have said about it in different threads: the Wii mini is not for you (or me, or most CAGs). But there are plenty of parents that might buy one for a kids room or something. Despite the utter contempt for the Wii on CAG, people continue to buy Wii games. I saw it myself at Best Buy tonight. A woman with a couple kids was buying some Wii games and checking out the Wii U. She wanted to know if the pad could be used on the Wii. When she found out it couldn't she didn't see the point of buying it and proceeded to ring up a couple of Wii games for her kids. So, yeah, one of the biggest disadvantages the Wii U has is the Wii itself, which is still going strong in the general marketplace (if not with the hardcorez). As for the Wii Mini, the only problem with is is that it isn't quite cheap enough since a "fullly loaded" Wii isn't much more. It ought to be more like $75.

Remember when games weren't all about graphics and were about, what's the word? Oh yeah, Fun?

A part of me is glad I didn't have to listen to a story about Wombat snagging that Vita deal, I had just missed it and hearing about it repeatedly on the episode would have sucked =P

I could definitely use the watch