but people out of the country can just use a state that isn't charging yet and get away with something I can't.

Please consider that you still have to pay less than the ones in Europe for the exact same product. If you think it is unfair, shouldn't Germans feel the same way about their local prices?
But I actually don't want to argue about that, I just think that people in the US would do the same if things would be cheaper in Europe.

To PenguinJim: You seem to want to be offended and argue. Again, I'm sorry that making likely assumptions bothers you. I know that being a US resident I go to US only (officially) sites and make posts in languages other than English all the time.

But as you said, it's the internet and people like to argue.

Since however I am tired of arguing with you, off to the ignore list you go!

Originally Posted by Streetie Hi guys, I want to add something to the discussion above: There has been a thread on Neogaf (I think) about upcoming deals where someone from Amazon.com (if not Tony) stated that everyone who isn't located in the US may create a fake adress in order to buy digital deals from amazon.com. So I don't see the point why customers from let's say Germany shouldn't do so. I mean keys for steam (bought from a retailer) in the US are region free which means, they can activate them in Germany or any other country. (unless a uncut-version is not activateable in Germany) All in all it is cheaper in the US compared to Europe. In the US, something costs 5$, in Germany the same product costs 5€, which is nearly 6,50$.

I hadn't seen that but it's a bit ridiculous. If they legitimately want to sell to people elsewhere then have them open their site up, you know do those pesky official things like sign contracts and comply with local laws etc. Don't tell people not to buy it and then have the Amazon rep going 'PSST come around the back alley and I'll sell it to ya'!'

Originally Posted by 60fps I just don't like that it's also an unfair way for people to dodge paying taxes. I have to pay them in PA, but people out of the country can just use a state that isn't charging yet and get away with something I can't. If taxes weren't recently added I wouldn't care, but now it feels unfair.

I actually saw a post on another forum where some non US people were saying 'Oh no don't use California. It has tax. Use Oregon. They don't get charged any tax'.

It makes me feel like a chump sitting here living in Washington state paying Amazon sales tax all the time, especially if a representative from Amazon is allegedly telling people to go and use fake addresses. Why can't I use a fake Oregon address too then?

And with that I think I shall bow out of this thread for a while and probably should not have even come back.

Tired of arguing, if Tony or whoever else from Amazon wants to tell internationals they can use fake addresses instead of actually getting their site setup to sell to those places then fine go for it. Have fun with that.

And yes Amazon STILL needs to get their shit together and put the DRM on the pages because that is one of the most important criteria that gamers want to know. I had been giving them a pass on existing games because I thought going forward they knew this now and would be adding it to new pages. Hotline Miami is new so guess not.

It still doesn't excuse someone from 1 starring something because it requires Steam and I'm a bit fed up with seeing that sort of nonsense.

THE END

I should be the one apologizing. I have to live with so many negative prejudices about American arrogance, rudeness and bigotry that I feel that we should be doing better than that. So when I saw you needlessly make a supposition purely to make a criticism of someone (not for humor, or information, but apparently just out of spite), I felt that it was worth pointing out.

(Edit: I travel a lot. And the experience is quite different if I pretend to be Canadian. )

@Motoki:

After a bit of a search, I found the thread again:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480502

International Buyers: Use your credit card with a random REAL US billing address and phone number.

Apparently, it wasn't Tony, I'm sorry for that.

Anyway, I don't buy many games so I don't really mind paying a bit more. I rarely look at the site of amazon.com for download deals.

Does Amazon have problems with database or something? I purchased Total War bundle yesterday, but none of my keys show in Library. Many refreshes later and keys were displayed only once, but obviously not TW ones, as these showed only the yellow button.

Tony, Can you do a PM on this: http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Nail%27d/5005022/
Gamefly - Nail'd for $1.25 (Amazon PCDD has it listed at $19.99)
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Eldredpe Guys, I don't know if I'm just tired, but the debate going down here is striking me as tremendously dumb.

Indeed it is.

I don't think Tony or Amazon have been suggesting to use fake addresses. I believe what somebody once said, not sure if it was Tony because this was like more than 6 months ago, was *to use US addresses*.

One more time, *US addresses*. Realize that if you use fake addresses Amazon might flag your account for suspicious activity, even block it.

Now, so far so good, not much is lost if that happens, right? What you gotta realize is that if you use fake addresses with credit card purchases you are incurring in CC fraud, that is an entirely different beast that might get you in trouble.

And if to top things, you commit fraud to evade taxes, please, do I have to tell you the kind of problems you are asking for??

So, don't be fools, if anyone out there is reading this, yes, it can be done, everybody knows it can be done, it's just that there is a safe way to do it and a stupid way to do it, it's up to you which one you will choose.

PS
Right now it's not clear how will purchasing out of region keys work on steam, with all the SSA changes and all, contact Steam support first with this question about how they feel about you activating "gifted" keys for games that are not available for your region.

Originally Posted by Fozbot Tony, Can you do a PM on this: http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Nail%27d/5005022/ Gamefly - Nail'd for $1.25 (Amazon PCDD has it listed at $19.99) Thanks.

At the very least, Amazon should "price match" Steam & Gamefly's regular price which is now only $4.99 on both stores.

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SO, for next week, just Eve online and Hitman Absolution are going to be on sale?..

I don't even see a Gamespot Black Friday episode for today :(

<cough> Many of the people on this forum are (unknowingly?) committing tax fraud by not paying use taxes for online purchases whenever the vendor does not collect sales tax, per their state tax laws. </cough>

Originally Posted by Fozbot Tony, Can you do a PM on this: http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Nail%27d/5005022/ Gamefly - Nail'd for $1.25 (Amazon PCDD has it listed at $19.99) Thanks.

Ooooh, and a Prison Break game too!

Totally buying both of those (hopefully from Amazon)

Originally Posted by vherub <cough> Many of the people on this forum are (unknowingly?) committing tax fraud by not paying use taxes for online purchases whenever the vendor does not collect sales tax, per their state tax laws. </cough>

I had a small business for a few years, which leads to some increased potential scrutiny from the state on my taxes. I fill out the section of my return and pay the standard use tax amount to Oklahoma every year. (They have an option for paying a standard estimated amount rather than needing to add up every little purchase. I think it was around $21 for me last year.)

It's hard to claim that not paying was unknowing when there is a section on the standard tax form that asks yes-or-no if you have out-of-state purchases that you have not paid sales tax on.

Originally Posted by Amazon DVG Deals We'll have Eve Online for $4.99 for you MMOers out there. Right now there's nothing else planned though, most of our big deals will start again closer to Christmas. What are you talking about? Cheers, Tony

sorry was referring to 2012 Editor's game award. but my fault, it's not even available until january 2013. sorry.

tony, why aren't you allowed buy PCDD games from the amazon app or the mobile website? i'm always at work when you do the friday deals

Originally Posted by vince_carter tony, why aren't you allowed buy PCDD games from the amazon app or the mobile website? i'm always at work when you do the friday deals

Just change the view to full site. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by vherub <cough> Many of the people on this forum are (unknowingly?) committing tax fraud by not paying use taxes for online purchases whenever the vendor does not collect sales tax, per their state tax laws. </cough>

I was just about to point out the same.

Tony has never said to "use a fake address" on that thread, AND remember he's banned from NEOGAF.

People making excuses.....

Originally Posted by vherub <cough> Many of the people on this forum are (unknowingly?) committing tax fraud by not paying use taxes for online purchases whenever the vendor does not collect sales tax, per their state tax laws. </cough>

And you don't save nearly as much money as hiring an accountant to funnel your millions of dollars through offshore tax havens, in a legal manner. Of course if you don't have millions of dollars and an accountant, you probably have a broken moral compass.

Originally Posted by yangwenli I don't even see a Gamespot Black Friday episode for today :(

I don't see any hype on Twitter too