Have Indie Gala 10 beat the average bundles for $1.90 paypal only. Send me a PM if interested. (Omegalodon, Majesty 2, East India Company, Lead And Gold, Europa Universalis: Rome - Gold Edition, Knights of Honor, Hearts Of Iron II, Elven Legacy, The Kings' Crusade, Commander: Conquest Of The Americas and Praetorians)


Tradeable Steam Games:
Starvoid ($0.80)
The Ship ($0.80)

Gamersgate Giftable Games:
Assassin's Creed Complete Collection ($20) http://www.gamersgate.com/DDB-ACCC/a...lection-bundle
Company of Heroes Gold + Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor ($5)

Steam Keys:
Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 x1 copy left ($4) or $7 for both Episode 1 + 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode 2 x1 copy left ($4) or $7 for both Episode 1 + 2
Starvoid Steam CDKey ($0.80)
Supreme Commander 2 x2 copies left ($1.25)


I prefer paypal.

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear Would you say the same thing if I bought a Star Wars Collection and sold the new trilogy to another person for half the price I paid?

That's hardly the same thing at all. They offer a DRM-free version as well as a Steam key so that buyers have flexibility in how they want to play their games since there are quite a few people who hate any form of DRM including Steam, whereas others love Steam and prefer all of their games to be on Steam if possible. This isn't sold as a 2 pack to share with others

Have
UBI Shop Nvidia Code for Assassins Creed 3

Want
Steam Far Cry 3

Originally Posted by kataztrophik That's hardly the same thing at all. They offer a DRM-free version as well as a Steam key so that buyers have flexibility in how they want to play their games since there are quite a few people who hate any form of DRM including Steam, whereas others love Steam and prefer all of their games to be on Steam if possible. This isn't sold as a 2 pack to share with others

I understand that but nonetheless there are 2 copies in this bundle. When a person buys a product, it is theirs to keep or give away. That person can turn around and sell it for a $2 or give it away. Some people do not think FTL is worth $6 but are willing to pay $3. If I was a developer then I would be ok if 2 people got together and chose to pool their money to buy this bundle. That way I get less revenue than none at all.

In the end I would encourage everyone to buy this game at the asking price if they want it because I hear it truly is great and worth every penny. I would buy it if I did not spend a shitload of cash on Black Friday and my vacation.

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear I understand that but nonetheless there are 2 copies in this bundle. When a person buys a product, it is theirs to keep or give away. That person can turn around and sell it for a $2 or give it away. Some people do not think FTL is worth $6 but are willing to pay $3. If I was a developer then I would be ok if 2 people got together and chose to pool their money to buy this bundle. That way I get less revenue than none at all. In the end I would encourage everyone to buy this game at the asking price if they want it because I hear it truly is great and worth every penny. I would buy it if I did not spend a shitload of cash on Black Friday and my vacation.

You're just trying to rationalize your actions - kataztrophik is right and you are wrong. This is the same reason why selling bundle Steam keys and keeping the DRM-free downloads is basically piracy.

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Originally Posted by seamoss You're just trying to rationalize your actions - kataztrophik is right and you are wrong. This is the same reason why selling bundle Steam keys and keeping the DRM-free downloads is basically piracy.

Well when you put it this way then obviously I am wrong. Ill just go myself. Thank you for helping me see the "way".

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear I understand that but nonetheless there are 2 copies in this bundle. When a person buys a product, it is theirs to keep or give away. That person can turn around and sell it for a $2 or give it away. Some people do not think FTL is worth $6 but are willing to pay $3. If I was a developer then I would be ok if 2 people got together and chose to pool their money to buy this bundle. That way I get less revenue than none at all. In the end I would encourage everyone to buy this game at the asking price if they want it because I hear it truly is great and worth every penny. I would buy it if I did not spend a shitload of cash on Black Friday and my vacation.

It's not a bundle, it is multiple options for the same game for use by ONE individual. The FTL site uses the Humble Store for their sales and they clearly state each purchase is for ONE individual (http://support.humblebundle.com/cust...-away-my-keys-). If people don't think FTL is worth $6 then they should wait until it is a price they want to pay.

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear I understand that but nonetheless there are 2 copies in this bundle. When a person buys a product, it is theirs to keep or give away.

There is one thing available--a license to the game. You can access the game via a DRM-free download or via Steam. Yes, you can keep it or give it away, but you can't do both.

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear Well when you put it this way then obviously I am wrong. Ill just go myself. Thank you for helping me see the "way".

I did start writing a long list of reasons why, but I gave up about half-way and decided to keep it simple - see all the other posts why this is the wrong thing to do.

Originally Posted by seamoss You're just trying to rationalize your actions - kataztrophik is right and you are wrong. This is the same reason why selling bundle Steam keys and keeping the DRM-free downloads is basically piracy.

But selling bundle keys for games you already own is okay, even though you'll have access to the DRM-free versions? That's a screwed up sense of morality. You people shouldn't pretend to take the high ground on digital goods because half of the keys in here were exploited in one way or another, whether it was through the Ubisoft glitch only available to foreign countries, or taking advantage of a charity fundraiser by spending exactly the minimum.

Stop being so anal about Steam keys. You can't possibly police every single person here. You don't honestly know how anyone's keys were obtained except your own. For all you know, everyone here is selling Steam keys and keeping their DRM-free versions. He may have already received a PM concerning his request.

Originally Posted by rybrad they clearly state each purchase is for ONE individual (http://support.humblebundle.com/cust...-away-my-keys-)

I guess we all have to develop an unrealistic sense of self-righteousness and close this thread, because every bundle says this in their TOS.

Originally Posted by rybrad It's not a bundle, it is multiple options for the same game for use by ONE individual. The FTL site uses the Humble Store for their sales and they clearly state each purchase is for ONE individual (http://support.humblebundle.com/cust...-away-my-keys-). If people don't think FTL is worth $6 then they should wait until it is a price they want to pay.

See that is something I did not know. Now my position changes. I am glad your not like the other dude who can not formulate his own opinion.

Now if your advocating for these people to be punished in some way, how does that affect everyone else who trade/sell indie keys from humble and royal bundles? I was under the impression those were banned but still see some people offering those.

Originally Posted by mrsilkunderwear See that is something I did not know. Now my position changes. I am glad your not like the other dude who can not formulate his own opinion. Now if your advocating for these people to be punished in some way, how does that affect everyone else who trade/sell indie keys from humble and royal bundles? I was under the impression those were banned but still see some people offering those.

I am not advocating for people to be "punished". What I would like to see happen is not allowing public discussion of buying a copy of the game with the explicit intent to give one person a Steam key and the other person uses the DRM-free version. Obviously things like this will always happen, but I don't think the site should be a haven for publicly coordinating these sort of things.

Originally Posted by Blade I guess we all have to develop an unrealistic sense of self-righteousness and close this thread, because every bundle says this in their TOS.

You seem like a delightful person. I personally agree that the individual keys should not be sold but that is not the point here. The point is people are explicitly (do I need to make that bigger text like you seem to favor or are you ok reading and comprehending it as-is?) discussing specific plans to split the cost of ONE game meant for ONE person.

Piracy can be really tricky to tackle, with a lot of grey area situations. For example, a lot of DRM-free downloads can be downloaded and installed as many times on as many different machines as you wish. Where is the line? You could sell access to your DRM-free download at $1 per link and profit off a game, at the expense of the developers. Regardless of your personal view on what's acceptable and what's not, blatant attempts at piracy really shouldn't be discussed openly on this public forum, that is built around getting people deals. If you want to participate in game piracy and the like, there are numerous other forums and websites that encourage such behavior.

Originally Posted by baconcow Calling someone wrong because you do not agree with their moral choice or point-of-view is kind of backwards with the point of having an opinion in the first place. If you do not like what the user is doing, then don't join in on his offer. Otherwise, why not leave the moderating to the moderators and stop using your own opinions as fact and moderation.

Well, I think you're wrong too! *




*and that's just my opinion!

Take your discussion to pm's or another thread. I want to buy some cheap games!

Take your discussion to pms or another thread. I just want to shop for cheap steam games.

2x Torchlight 2 giftables for trade.

Want:
Dark Souls
Paypal

Have:
DotA 2

Want:
Any Steam tradeable game

Have Indie Gala 10 beat the average bundles for $1.90 paypal only. Send me a PM if interested. (Omegalodon, Majesty 2, East India Company, Lead And Gold, Europa Universalis: Rome - Gold Edition, Knights of Honor, Hearts Of Iron II, Elven Legacy, The Kings' Crusade, Commander: Conquest Of The Americas and Praetorians)


Tradeable Steam Games:
Starvoid ($0.80)
The Ship ($0.80)

Gamersgate Giftable Games:
Assassin's Creed Complete Collection ($20) http://www.gamersgate.com/DDB-ACCC/a...lection-bundle
Company of Heroes Gold + Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor ($5)

Steam Keys:
Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 x1 copy left ($4) or $7 for both Episode 1 + 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode 2 x1 copy left ($4) or $7 for both Episode 1 + 2
Starvoid Steam CDKey ($0.80)
Supreme Commander 2 x2 copies left ($1.25)


I prefer paypal.

Have:

Killing Floor (Steam Key) - $3.25 (1 Left)

Will take Paypal or Amazon GC.

Will consider trades.