Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.

i dont think there should be a cap then we would have to do all 2 or 3 year deals and the cost of contracts would be crazy. and roster wouldnt be able to fill i think u should only be allowed to go 1 extra year than what the player wants in his contract so if they want a 5 year contract then the max u can offer is 6 years. and trust everyone will do the right thing. plus if everyone is allowed to do 7 year deals then it fair and then it all comes down to who pays more wins like a really contract battle goes in the real nfl. IMO that is all

Originally Posted by DVO21 i dont think there should be a cap then we would have to do all 2 or 3 year deals and the cost of contracts would be crazy. and roster wouldnt be able to fill i think u should only be allowed to go 1 extra year than what the player wants in his contract so if they want a 5 year contract then the max u can offer is 6 years. and trust everyone will do the right thing. plus if everyone is allowed to do 7 year deals then it fair and then it all comes down to who pays more wins like a really contract battle goes in the real nfl. IMO that is all

So everyone should make seven-year offers is what you're saying?

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.

I'd highly endorse this.

It's too late for us since people already started doing it, pretty much everyone had to at that point or risk being at a disadvantage. Hell, I've done it myself now. If you can get out ahead of this, I think it would be a very good idea.

We might think about capping it starting next offseason, but it's still a discussion we need to have.

it would end that problem pretty quick and easy. people should be able to offer wut they want for contracts alot of people try to stay away form bonus so if they trade them or cut them they dont lose money that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap. it really comes down to who has a better contract and if that player would rather play with that team or not.

Originally Posted by DVO21 that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap.

The majority of players in the NFL are on contracts which can be cut without cap penalty. Plenty of stars also have contracts which can be cut without cap penalty (many such contracts are in the game already). It definitely happens in real life.

But you're basically endorsing people offering disingenuous contracts. You know that we won't play seven years, so load that baby up and you'll get a player you want without really having to pay him, since the deal is backloaded.

I dont see whats wrong with a 5 year deal since many players in real life do sign for that long...I'd rather have that then everybody sign 2-3 year deals which cause everyone's contracts to be front-loaded. I think that 1 year beyond what the player wants is reasonable.

The problem with the one year beyond what the player wants is that there really is no way to regulate it, unless someone takes the time to log it for everyone.

well if we only polan on playing 2 or 3 years then we should only offer 2 or 3 years contracts and then people will be paying crazy amounts. lets say u have a young WR thats a star or young QB u dont think a team in real life would offer them a 7 year deal or u think they just give him a 2 or 3 or 4 year deal i think a contract depends on a players long term value to the team not how long we are going to play. we should offer contracts in a realistic type form

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Originally Posted by DVO21 it would end that problem pretty quick and easy. people should be able to offer wut they want for contracts alot of people try to stay away form bonus so if they trade them or cut them they dont lose money that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap. it really comes down to who has a better contract and if that player would rather play with that team or not.

How is it "realistic" for people to overpay on a backloaded contract that they know they won't have to follow through with because the league won't last that long? That isn't "strategy". It's gaming the system. The only potential problem I could see coming out of it is players who WANT long-term deals like you said.

I haven't done extensive research or anything, and I'm really just thinking out loud, but my basic idea would be that you can only offer the player the EXACT amount of years they're asking for. Then, if people want to overpay, that's their business and will be to the detriment of their team. I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals. But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals.

I've never seen it.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.

I can officially state from the office of the commissioner that it is a problem. Unfortunately it's one we're stuck with, at least for the present. And I'm not saying this from on high either, I got down in the muck myself and extended a couple of my guys to long deals. Once other people started though, there really wasn't much choice.

I'd highly urge you guys to follow this suggestion, I think it will create a much more realistic FA system in the long run. You all have the benefit of being behind us as we make our way through this quagmire that is Connected Careers. It would be silly not to learn from our mistakes.

Originally Posted by DVO21 well if we only polan on playing 2 or 3 years then we should only offer 2 or 3 years contracts and then people will be paying crazy amounts. lets say u have a young WR thats a star or young QB u dont think a team in real life would offer them a 7 year deal or u think they just give him a 2 or 3 or 4 year deal i think a contract depends on a players long term value to the team not how long we are going to play. we should offer contracts in a realistic type form

My initial thought was no less than 4 years (as getting through 5 seasons is still a fairly realistic goal for this league). I wouldn't be opposed to 5 year deals...but if the player isn't asking for it...I don't see why it's necessary. An argument of "But then I can't sign all the star players!" isn't a good enough reason. I still find it mildly amusing that some people still think all the trades they make and all these crazy moves are realistic. You SHOULD be forced to juggle your finances when assembling your roster. That's kind of the point of the salary cap.

Almost positive the max that can be offered is 6 year deals

I've noticed that most guys in my offline career ask for 5 years or less. Very rarely (for example, Matt Ryan did) guys ask for 6 years. I've never seen anyone ask for 7.

ya matt ryan asked me for a 6 year deal i nthe other league but once signed him to that deal it said 7 years but im guessing that becuz he was still under the other contract they just added on to the deal as one deal

Originally Posted by Blade3D Almost positive the max that can be offered is 6 year deals

I think it's 7 total, so if you're offering a deal to a guy during the season the max is 6, and it gets tacked on with the last season of his existing deal. In the offseason, you can offer the full 7.

Originally Posted by KasterDB I've noticed that most guys in my offline career ask for 5 years or less. Very rarely (for example, Matt Ryan did) guys ask for 6 years. I've never seen anyone ask for 7.

Well, does limiting it to only being able to offer the exact years the player is asking for seem reasonable then? I mean...I know we can't undercut what they're asking for. They just won't sign if we do that. But if the contract length is standard for everyone...and it's just the dollar amount that's variable, one would think that would cause the people who really NEED the position to bid higher...since we would all know we're working from the same scale. Again, I'm just thinking as I go, but that sounds fair to me.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports I haven't done extensive research or anything, and I'm really just thinking out loud, but my basic idea would be that you can only offer the player the EXACT amount of years they're asking for. Then, if people want to overpay, that's their business and will be to the detriment of their team. I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals. But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.

That makes sense to me. Only problem is making sure everyone follows the rule. I always see the same few guys posting in this thread. Makes me wonder how many out of the 32 team owners actually follow it. I could easily see someone offer a long deal, then say they never saw that it wasn't allowed because they don't follow the thread. I do like the idea of only offering the contract length that the player is requesting. No more or less.

Originally Posted by jza1218 Well if the resigning period is only a week, and the following week starts free agency, how can you have another shot at signing them?

I meant that happens during the season.

I'd love to keep this league going as long as possible. I also say screw only have 2-3 years max for contracts.