Originally Posted by Mooby Achievements are basically a manufactured way to add more 'content' without actually adding content.

yup. they are great aren't they

geez.... whine whine whine.

People have opinions. As much as we have to endure the annoying IS THIS ON STEAM BECAUSE THAT IS ALL I USE AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MY OWN HANG UP I REFUSE TO DO EVEN CURSORY RESEARCH INTO THE SUBJECT OR EVEN READ A FEW PAGES BACK INTO THE THREAD WHERE THE EXACT QUESTION FOR THE EXACT GAME WAS ALREADY ANSWERED every other page (at least) I am fine with people posting their thoughts on why Steam might be unnecessary or how someone can integrate a game into their Steam list.

Some people genuinely don't know they can just add a game onto their Steam list so maybe that will push them over the edge.

If other people want to post how it offends them when other people do this and how they find it unnecessary, they are free to do so as well. I will say it is far from personal or even anti-Steam and they really shouldn't take offense to it, but they are free to do so.


Finally, Glennfrank you've got me on the ropes, ducking for my life, trying to avoid the "Buy" button on TSW. Now that you've caved I feel like the last man standing. Question, can you play as a Zombie in TSW?

Originally Posted by CheapLikeAFox Finally, Glennfrank you've got me on the ropes, ducking for my life, trying to avoid the "Buy" button on TSW. Now that you've caved I feel like the last man standing. Question, can you play as a Zombie in TSW?

Stand fast! I'm with you, for now.

Sorry Fox! I just decided to stop thinking about it. I woke up around 5am and lay in bed for half-hour thinking about whether or not to buy it or not. Then thought about it on and off today. Finally I figured my peace of mind was worth a potential $5 deeper discount next week. I also realized that Funcom probably wouldn't want to go much lower since they just dropped the sub model and until players are in-game using the cash shop the initial cost is where they are generating all their money.

As for zombies - Nope, just humans. Three different factions, but all human.

Magic in general is implemented interestingly though - I used assault rifles and channelled my magic trough them allowing different effects (DoTs, AoEs, Self-Heals etc). The same can be said for fists, blade etc styles. I thought it was kind of cool, and liked the fact that you can cast while moving.. which takes some getting used to - the game even has a dodge dynamic to get out of AoE's etc.

I am copying my game-files on to my laptop to see if there is any chance of it running TSW. If it does, my GF will probably get it as well and play with me on that (although she is still kind of in love with SW:TOR - so we'll be playing both).

Originally Posted by Mooby Show me on the doll where this thread touched you.

Originally Posted by glennfrank Sorry Fox! I just decided to stop thinking about it. I woke up around 5am and lay in bed for half-hour thinking about whether or not to buy it or not. Then thought about it on and off today. Finally I figured my peace of mind was worth a potential $5 deeper discount next week. I also realized that Funcom probably wouldn't want to go much lower since they just dropped the sub model and until players are in-game using the cash shop the initial cost is where they are generating all their money. As for zombies - Nope, just humans. Three different factions, but all human. Magic in general is implemented interestingly though - I used assault rifles and channelled my magic trough them allowing different effects (DoTs, AoEs, Self-Heals etc). The same can be said for fists, blade etc styles. I thought it was kind of cool, and liked the fact that you can cast while moving.. which takes some getting used to - the game even has a dodge dynamic to get out of AoE's etc. I am copying my game-files on to my laptop to see if there is any chance of it running TSW. If it does, my GF will probably get it as well and play with me on that (although she is still kind of in love with SW:TOR - so we'll be playing both).

Let me know how it runs on your laptop. That will probably be the determining factor for me. I just checked the wiki and saw that enemies include a Zombie Hulk and..... WENDIGO....pretty much down for the count now. I'm just drunk in the corner, incoherent, waiting for TSW to walk over and have its way with me.

I may not know until tomorrow - going to be heading out fairly soon to dinner and the files apparently will take another 45 mins or so to transfer.. If we get back early enough I will post it, but it's a celebratory dinner-type-thing so I don't exactly know what we'll be doing afterwards or if I will get to try it out tonight.

Originally Posted by glennfrank I may not know until tomorrow - going to be heading out fairly soon to dinner and the files apparently will take another 45 mins or so to transfer.. If we get back early enough I will post it, but it's a celebratory dinner-type-thing so I don't exactly know what we'll be doing afterwards or if I will get to try it out tonight.

No pressure, sale runs until the end of tomorrow. That and the thought of killing Wendigos pretty much sealed the deal.

Originally Posted by radioactivez0r You could also try asking for help, others had some problems with it yesterday and seemed to resolve them (myself included).

Those issues seemed to arise from already having an account with funcom. I have never had an account with them.

I contacted Funcom support and they were less than helpful. After spending more than an hour googling and trying different things (including following the instructions given by the amazon downloader) I give up and just want a refund.

I guess this world is such a secret that I will never find it. lol

edit: Funcom replied to my email. Apparently they are having problems with their website and they gave me a direct link so I could create an account. I finally found this secret world everyone is talking about!

Can anyone tell me if the control style for TSW is similar to Diablo or SWTOR (in terms of using abilities).

So, the deals starting tomorrow are??

I too caved on TSW even though $15 seemed out of my range. Tony priced it perfectly, I'm guessing, to lure us :( Evil genius!

This entire debate is irrelevant. Don't use Steam for MMO/F2Ps.

Why? Steam forces you to use ONE account. Once it is linked, it's linked for good. There is no known way to change it. You might contact Steam support though! lol.

And why should you buy TSW now?

1. It was $5 on GMG because it was a subscription game. It isn't a subscription game anymore; it won't be that price again for a great while.
2. The initiate pack is $15 by itself, and the coming issue #5 add on will be $5.
3. Sure, wait until January hoping it will be on the Editor's Choice list. Then you can buy it for $5 off $15, and only get the base game. Awesome!
4. Zombies.

Also, if you want Steam community features in TSW, just add it to Steam after you install it. That way you have all the perks of Steam, less DRM, and avoid cemented account linking. Again, don't use Steam for MMO/F2Ps.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque This entire debate is irrelevant. Don't use Steam for MMO/F2Ps. Why? Steam forces you to use ONE account. Once it is linked, it's linked for good. There is no known way to change it. You might contact Steam support though! lol. And why should you buy TSW now? 1. It was $5 on GMG because it was a subscription game. It isn't a subscription game anymore; it won't be that price again for a great while. 2. The initiate pack is $15 by itself, and the coming issue #5 add on will be $5. 3. Sure, wait until January hoping it will be on the Editor's Choice list. Then you can buy it for $5 off $15, and only get the base game. Awesome! 4. Zombies. Also, if you want Steam community features in TSW, just add it to Steam after you install it. That way you have all the perks of Steam, less DRM, and avoid cemented account linking. Again, don't use Steam for MMO/F2Ps.

I don't like zombies.

That's not true for a lot of MMOs. A lot of them are just glorified launchers that you don't even have to connect to Steam at all. Fairly certain I've played a handful of Sony F2Ps and all I've used to log into those were my Station IDs. THe only one I can think of that linked directly was Spiral Knights.

Though I don't know why many people would need multiple accounts for an MMO in the first place, especially F2P ones.

Originally Posted by CheapLikeAFox geez.... whine whine whine. People have opinions. As much as we have to endure the annoying IS THIS ON STEAM BECAUSE THAT IS ALL I USE AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MY OWN HANG UP I REFUSE TO DO EVEN CURSORY RESEARCH INTO THE SUBJECT OR EVEN READ A FEW PAGES BACK INTO THE THREAD WHERE THE EXACT QUESTION FOR THE EXACT GAME WAS ALREADY ANSWERED every other page (at least) I am fine with people posting their thoughts on why Steam might be unnecessary or how someone can integrate a game into their Steam list.

Agreed, to an extent - we all you have our own opinions and should be able to express them.
We can all disagree and still have great conversations about DRM, game-clients, game philosophies, game design & opinions on games themselves here.

Where the "extent" ends - Amazon DVG sometimes does things no other digital store does.

Only time it's really clear what DRM is used - that is when a dev/pub says their game uses a certain DRM period everywhere. Example - when a dev announces Steamworks everywhere on the PC; like both Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR might force Steam on you PERIOD; or an EA-owned company has a game, you know it'll flat-out use Origin PERIOD.

Sometimes, it ain't really too clear on the DRM, anymore; especially if a game has multiple versions at different outlets - i.e. retail version might use Origin (KOA:R); another version sold on Steam might just use Steam only for DRM and not use Origin (KOA:R); etc etc. This is when it gets confusing.
And Amazon getting numerous different versions now - this is where it can gets even more confusing for some.

See, Amazon DVG might....
1. ...Get only Steam-versions for a game (Hotline Miami on Amazon DVG is Steam-required; GOG sells it DRM-FREE);
2. ...OR get Non-Steam versions for a game (Risen 1 - DRM-FREE);
3. ...OR sometimes sell even both Non-Steam and Steam versions for some of their games a lot (see Max Payne 3). Most other digital places won't even think of doing such a thing and catering to the Steam fanbase AND Non-Steam fanbase.

Since Amazon's willing to sell different DRM versions, THEY should be the ones responsible for specifying exactly on a game-page what DRM version(s) they are selling right up front; and make it easy for the user to select the version the want if there's more than one DRM version available to them.

Some people genuinely don't know they can just add a game onto their Steam list so maybe that will push them over the edge.

I try to categorize those Non-Steam game into their own category Non-Steam. Most other client-programs (Origin, GameStop PC App, etc) don't have the functionality Steam has - NOT EVEN CLOSE!

If other people want to post how it offends them when other people do this and how they find it unnecessary, they are free to do so as well. I will say it is far from personal or even anti-Steam and they really shouldn't take offense to it, but they are free to do so.

I just like to keep my DRM layers down as much as possible, if possible....especially if I'm spending good money on a product.

On something that is really cheap or it is much cheaper somewhere than anywhere else - eh, I might not care so much.

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Originally Posted by Corpekata That's not true for a lot of MMOs. A lot of them are just glorified launchers that you don't even have to connect to Steam at all. Though I don't know why many people would need multiple accounts for an MMO in the first place, especially F2P ones.

Every MMO/F2P I've come across has you "link" your account from the MMO/F2P company to your Steam account as soon as you set things up (launcher or not). Once this is linked, you cannot change it. I'd love to know which games don't behave this way, because I haven't seen a single one that doesn't thus far.

And as for multiple accounts, there are always reasons. Just off the top of my head, new accounts on Mabinogi give you a deluxe(?) character card that allows you full customization options on the character you create, and all the cards after that only give you limited options. Depends if it matters to the user, of course, but there are often reasons to have alternate accounts.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque Every MMO/F2P I've come across has you "link" your account from the MMO/F2P company to your Steam account as soon as you set things up (launcher or not). Once this is linked, you cannot change it. I'd love to know which games don't behave this way, because I haven't seen a single one that doesn't thus far. And as for multiple accounts, there are always reasons. Just off the top of my head, new accounts on Mabinogi give you a deluxe(?) character card that allows you full customization options on the character you create, and all the cards after that only give you limited options. Depends if it matters to the user, of course, but there are often reasons to have alternate accounts.

OK, maybe I'm dense, or maybe it's been said in the encyclopedic like post in the last few pages, but why is an MMORG being linked to "one" Steam account a bad thing. Don't flame, I'm genuinely asking.

Originally Posted by walkonshadows OK, maybe I'm dense, or maybe it's been said in the encyclopedic like post in the last few pages, but why is an MMORG being linked to "one" Steam account a bad thing. Don't flame, I'm genuinely asking.

To some people it might not matter, but I've played a variety of MMORPGs over the years and there are usually reasons to have multiple accounts. It's also very common on a lot of F2P games for accounts to be "auto-banned" for nonsense reasons due to updates to the hack protection programs. You can of course contact support, but most of the time support is really terrible with MMOs. If your account is hardcoded? Very annoying.

Basically, the reasons against using Steam for MMOs far outweighs the reasons for using it. At least in my opinion. Especially when you can just add the game to Steam and get the community aspect with none of the other nonsense.

Hope that explains it.

need....thq medley....NOW!