Or when Eddie sprayed it on Big Show.

Originally Posted by mykevermin Wow, I'm totally embarrassed that I overlooked that flagrant aspect, too. I'll have to turn my liberal card in. In case you haven't read it earlier this year: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...eel-tendencies

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A big problem I have with today's WWE is that they have forgotten how the face-heel mechanic works. The only main-event-level face they have is John Cena. As for everyone else, Santino is a true babyface. Rey Jr., too, but he's semi-active. Sheamus, Ryback, Orton, and Miz are not traditional faces, especially Miz. They're all tweeners. Seems like everyone wants to be a tweener and no one wants the responsibility/Cena-type hate that comes with being a babyface.

Originally Posted by Chase I've said it before and I'll say it again: A big problem I have with today's WWE is that they have forgotten how the face-heel mechanic works. The only main-event-level face they have is John Cena. As for everyone else, Santino is a true babyface. Rey Jr., too, but he's semi-active. Sheamus, Ryback, Orton, and Miz are not traditional faces, especially Miz. They're all tweeners. Seems like everyone wants to be a tweener and no one wants the responsibility/Cena-type hate that comes with being a babyface.

I don't know how you can say Cena is a true baby face when discussing the essential flip-flop of WWE Creative's face-heel writing mechanics. Cena is frequently doing the same kind of "heel" actions to other heels, but WWE expects us to cheer for him. John Cena is arguably the biggest face in the company, but he is in now way written like a traditional baby face consistently and hasn't been written that way for a very long time now. Cena isn't really doing the "cool heel" or "tweener" bullshit, but he's pretty much his own brand or type of face without always acting like a face.

I think that having the face be an asshole like they do is a problem because they don't allow the heel to be an even bigger one. As it stands right now the heels mostly get shit on for the entire duration of the feud and then lose.

Look at that endless Sheamus/Del Rio feud vs. the Sheamus/Big Show feud. That feud has been fantastic because they have been going back and forth for months. We believe that Big Show could conceivably win some matches there but Del Rio was just victimized for months on end with no retaliation.

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Originally Posted by kodave I don't know how you can say Cena is a true baby face when discussing the essential flip-flop of WWE Creative's face-heel writing mechanics. Cena is frequently doing the same kind of "heel" actions to other heels, but WWE expects us to cheer for him. John Cena is arguably the biggest face in the company, but he is in now way written like a traditional baby face consistently and hasn't been written that way for a very long time now. Cena isn't really doing the "cool heel" or "tweener" bullshit, but he's pretty much his own brand or type of face without always acting like a face.

Hmm. Lemme think about this a bit more.

What heel behavior has he shown? To the best of my memory of recent WWE, he's a sterile, 1980s Hogan babyface. Thinking about the TLC PPV and what I can recall of recent RAW shows, which, to be honest, isn't much of anything. Hmm. I stand by my assessment unless someone shows otherwise. He gets beat up by heels, then Hulks-up, makes a comeback, and wins. That's pretty much the standard Hulkamania model.

Cena's phrase should be "Hustle. Loyalty." How does waving a hand in front of your face and saying "You can't see me" a sign of respect?

IMO, Cena's bad singing is a heel move. At least Hogan didn't do that in the 80's - unless you were in Japan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQmpgilmlqc

Did someone say Cena Singing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Kt2jHnMh0

had forgot about that video

Is it wrong that I wish Cena would drop a new album, if only to have him finally get a new ing theme song?

Originally Posted by masked lemon Is it wrong that I wish Cena would drop a new album, if only to have him finally get a new ing theme song?

So Kelly Kelly dyed her hair brunette now, and...uh....wow. Big improvement, in my opinon.





Probably NSFW, but it's worth a look when you get a chance.

It just dawned on me that Ziggler was also involved in the DX shit-dropping incident with the Spirit Squad.

I know why Cena is so pissed at Ziggler. Ziggler dated Nikki Bella first and ruined her for all other men.

Originally Posted by mitch079 I know why Cena is so pissed at Ziggler. Ziggler dated Nikki Bella first and ruined her for all other men.

I imagine it's gonna be difficult for anyone to follow a dude whose sexual escapades are said to be like bouncing on a trampoline in a full-body Vaseline suit.

Originally Posted by Chase I imagine it's gonna be difficult for anyone to follow a dude whose sexual escapades are said to be like bouncing on a trampoline in a full-body Vaseline suit.

Now imagine bouncing on the trampoline in the Vaseline suit screaming "NICKYYYYYY!"

I just did. Suffering disappointment and future regret.

Originally Posted by ced Now imagine bouncing on the trampoline in the Vaseline suit screaming "NICKYYYYYY!" I just did. Suffering disappointment and future regret.

Reminds me of

Random thoughts:

- Every time Kaitlyn's music hits, I have this incredible urge to play Dance Dance Revolution.

- I am thrilled to see Wade Barrett with the InterContinental title. I missed his Smackdown run with a singles title so I'm looking forward to this - even more so since he and Cesaro could possibly work an angle together. Some of you mentioned Cesaro could be a face; this could be his chance.

-Speaking of Cesaro, I wish they teased a future angle with him and Ryback. Having a rematch the following night on Smackdown only to have Cesaro lose clean was not the way to go.

- AJ Lee is still adorable. I think the only bad thing she ever did was wear green neon.

- The Big Show is underrated. The guy is good on the mic and can move and take bumps better than most big guys I've ever seen in the ring. "Tent's Eye" should take lessons from Show.

- Regarding the Kelly Kelly pics:

Dear Lord, how long have you been watching wrestling? If you think Big Show is underrated for what he does nowadays, you couldn't have possibly watched him in the early 00's, let alone in the late 90's.

As someone who has watched for a long time, seeing both Big Show and Rey Mysterio Jr. nowadays depresses me immensely.

I think Big Show is good at what he's supposed to be. What can he do to improve, in your view?

That doesn't mean I get hyped to see him each and every week, but he has a place on the show, and he performs it well.

I don't think he should have the Big Gold Belt™, but I also think that it's a booking problem and not one where Show can improve his ring work to justify his spot. Andre never held the belt* because he didn't need to - he was the freakshow attraction of WWE; Big Show should be the same way.

*Yeah, okay, he did beat Hogan for the belt to set up WMIV's tournament, but since he immediately handed the belt over to DiBiase, it doesn't really count.

There's nothing he can do to improve which is why I'm so surprised someone called him underrated. He doesn't add anything now that he didn't do much better in the past. I think the well ran dry a long time ago as to exciting things they could do with him. I was so glad when I thought he retired back in 2006. Six years later and he's still boring, still plodding around, and his offense and aura have both remarkably diminished.

What's worse is that they need him. I think that's what gets me. They can't use him as a special attraction to preserve his aura and make his appearances mean something. He's one of their most charismatic workers and stuff involving him usually pops otherwise dead crowds.