Originally Posted by Clak I was actually going to say about the same, nothing to really hold anyone to a particular company anymore. My grandfather retired as a machinist after working for the same company for almost 30 years, I can't imagine doing that today. It'd have to be a ing dream job.

That's assuming that a company would even want to keep someone for that long these days.

Originally Posted by dohdough That's assuming that a company would even want to keep someone for that long these days.

That's true, in some cases they'd rather fire the old timers and bring in cheaper, younger labor. Look at the situation at a lot of auto plants, the old guys actually had a sweeter deal then the new hires because the unions were forced to cave in.

I wonder sometimes though, with the cost of training new people and all, just how much they really save.

Originally Posted by Clak That's true, in some cases they'd rather fire the old timers and bring in cheaper, younger labor. Look at the situation at a lot of auto plants, the old guys actually had a sweeter deal then the new hires because the unions were forced to cave in. I wonder sometimes though, with the cost of training new people and all, just how much they really save.

The savings are probably negligible, but there are intangible benefits to the organization in regards to keeping labor in check by reinforcing the message that the cogs are replaceable.

depends. This company sold last week and I'm unemployed come 1/11/13. I've applied to 100 jobs that are either slightly under, right at or slightly above my current job in the last 14 days. I've had 3 call backs. Hard to say I'm unloyal when my job no longer exists.

But I'm lazy since I'll end up with at least 3 months of unemployment and I'm not going to go to Burger King. Why? Because I need the time to comb job sites, get in touch with my network, post resumes, go to job fairs, head out to every tall building within 20 miles to copy down the companies within and then go back home and look up each one and check out their career sections. Oh yeah, watch TV too. I simply can't do all of this and work the 27 hours per day necessary at $8hr to equal half a day of pay at my job.

Sorry to hear that nasum, hope things turn out well for you.

Originally Posted by nasum depends. This company sold last week and I'm unemployed come 1/11/13. I've applied to 100 jobs that are either slightly under, right at or slightly above my current job in the last 14 days. I've had 3 call backs. Hard to say I'm unloyal when my job no longer exists. But I'm lazy since I'll end up with at least 3 months of unemployment and I'm not going to go to Burger King. Why? Because I need the time to comb job sites, get in touch with my network, post resumes, go to job fairs, head out to every tall building within 20 miles to copy down the companies within and then go back home and look up each one and check out their career sections. Oh yeah, watch TV too. I simply can't do all of this and work the 27 hours per day necessary at $8hr to equal half a day of pay at my job.

Sorry to hear that, dude. On the brightside, you have a nice ergonomic chair to do your job hunt on. Good luck!

tax prep will fill the gap but that's about 20% of what I make. I suppose I could take on a bunch more clients but I'm too late in the advertising game and I'm not about to pimp my skills on craigslist and get god only knows what for clients.
There's a startup mortgage lender in the stripmall that is a 5 minute walk from my house that's looking for a JR underwriter. I don't have the necessary licenses but could probably get them within 90-120 days depending on the registration backlog. In the meantime I could help with credit analysis and such. I sold myself on being able to do their books too until the business grows to the point where my services are needed there more than in underwriting. They liked that.

Originally Posted by nasum depends. This company sold last week and I'm unemployed come 1/11/13. I've applied to 100 jobs that are either slightly under, right at or slightly above my current job in the last 14 days. I've had 3 call backs. Hard to say I'm unloyal when my job no longer exists. But I'm lazy since I'll end up with at least 3 months of unemployment and I'm not going to go to Burger King. Why? Because I need the time to comb job sites, get in touch with my network, post resumes, go to job fairs, head out to every tall building within 20 miles to copy down the companies within and then go back home and look up each one and check out their career sections. Oh yeah, watch TV too. I simply can't do all of this and work the 27 hours per day necessary at $8hr to equal half a day of pay at my job.

How can you assume you'll be out of work for at least 3 months?

And for someone that allegedly makes $100K a year (i.e. 27hrs x $8 = 1/2 day of old rate x 2 = full day rate at old job x 5 work days a week = $2,160/wk x 52 weeks = $100K+) I'm sure you have savings right?

Savings yes. I finished my refi a week before finding out. With that reduction in monthly costs I'm solvent for nearly 10 months. Toss in UI at 33% of my current pay and I'm good for another 8 before the budget gets tight. Once Wells Fargo gets off their bums and mails me my escrow from the last mortgage I'll have another 2.5 months paid off there.
You're confusing wage with compensation. I'm including VERY good insurance and a 6% 401k match. It's impolite to talk about such things here, even more so to inquire. Also, the lack of insurance at BK would require me to pick up COBRA which is an enormous cost.

Originally Posted by egofed sigh...maybe I am out of touch. I would prefer the guy who demonstrated his work ethic and can do attitude by taking what job he could get at the time and providing for his family versus sucking at the gov't teat. If your right about working in any capacity "tarnishing" your image, then we are screwed as a country. Actually, someone told me that an inmate was given a sex change with tax payer money....we are dooooomed.;-)

Settle down, we are not screwed. It's just how the white collar jobs market works.

Originally Posted by dohdough I don't think it was directed at you. Or at least, it wouldn't make sense since you're arguing the same thing albeit less sarcasticly. Funny thing that people forget about that time was that social programs were created to not only lessen the effects of poverty, but also to keep people from being desperate enough to not storm the mansions and start lining people up against the wall. Those programs were a compromise between labor and capital to keep capitalism alive. FDR should be capitalism's greatest hero.

Oh yeah it was a different time and different circumstances to be sure, from what I understand they ditched the make-work projects pretty early on and had folks work on more long-term, beneficial projects ranging from bridge work and water infrastructure to public works of art. I respect what FDR did given the circumstances of the times, but IMHO it's a little too close to centralized planning to be considered as anything but an emergency back-of-the-shelf option to alleviate an extreme economic depression.

Ironic that two of the most self-professed fans of capitalism would advocate such an extreme socialist position.

Originally Posted by nasum Savings yes. I finished my refi a week before finding out. With that reduction in monthly costs I'm solvent for nearly 10 months. Toss in UI at 33% of my current pay and I'm good for another 8 before the budget gets tight. Once Wells Fargo gets off their bums and mails me my escrow from the last mortgage I'll have another 2.5 months paid off there. You're confusing wage with compensation. I'm including VERY good insurance and a 6% 401k match. It's impolite to talk about such things here, even more so to inquire. Also, the lack of insurance at BK would require me to pick up COBRA which is an enormous cost.

Well it appears you have things thought out. Kudos and good luck in your job search.

Originally Posted by egofed I would prefer the guy who demonstrated his work ethic and can do attitude by taking what job he could get at the time and providing for his family versus sucking at the gov't teat.

How many job applications have you viewed in your life? How many hiring panels have you sat in on in your life? How many people have you hired in your life?

These are important questions - all of this ignores the absurdity that gap in employment = "sucking at the gov't teat," or unemployed = lazy, etc. The idea that someone is responsible for being employed is full of enormous logical gaps.

(It's why *searching* for a job might be a condition of probation, but *getting* a job is not.)

I'd swear egofed was straight out of the 50s if I didn't know any better. Keep in mind that when you read this, it isn't a compliment.

Originally Posted by Clak Keep in mind that when you read this, it isn't a compliment.

Anyone who reads the VS forum would already know this. You're a dumb man's myke, most of your posts are sarcastic and unnecessary. Keep in mind when you read this, that isn't a compliment. Myke's posts are, however, some of my favorite to read in this sub-forum.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Anyone who reads the VS forum would already know this. You're a dumb man's myke, most of your posts are sarcastic and unnecessary. Keep in mind when you read this, that isn't a compliment. Myke's posts are, however, some of my favorite to read in this sub-forum.

Are you saying that he's taken my corner???

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Anyone who reads the VS forum would already know this. You're a dumb man's myke, most of your posts are sarcastic and unnecessary. Keep in mind when you read this, that isn't a compliment. Myke's posts are, however, some of my favorite to read in this sub-forum.

pre-or-post jerkiness? (I don't know if anyone has noticed that I've been trying to be less of a shithead the past few months. This includes just not engaging posters who are dreadful trolls.)

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Anyone who reads the VS forum would already know this. You're a dumb man's myke, most of your posts are sarcastic and unnecessary. Keep in mind when you read this, that isn't a compliment. Myke's posts are, however, some of my favorite to read in this sub-forum.

Honestly, was your sarcastic commentary necessary?

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Originally Posted by nasum false equivalence. Why not thank your employer for limiting your work?

From a pure business standpoint, why would any employer pay an employee 1.5x the standard rate when they can just get a second employe and pay them 1x the standard rate?

Well of course Obama can stay classy, running the country into the ground and gets off scot-free by the gray hairs on his head. While the MSM is giving him head.

Originally Posted by cfootball1 well of course obama can stay classy, running the country into the ground and gets off scot-free by the gray hairs on his head. While the msm is giving him head.

You're going to be lots of fun here. I can already tell.