Originally Posted by GUNNM It's a good thing I only buy capcom games or a yung nukka like me would go broke

It's a good thing I speak and read japanese at a monkey level or I wouldn't know that you just referred to yourself as an "unripe banana."

It's an interesting choice, very lyrical.

konichwa bitches.

Back in the day I've lost many potential children to the ground or on my stomach thanks to lucy lawless.

Originally Posted by 62t We are only a 2 or 3 generations from going full digital anyway.

Keep saying that and maybe it will become true. The fact is digital does not have the PIPELINE to facilitate the data ability necessary to make download even a remote possibility.
You're asking for a standard fiber-optic connection in all homes and don't forgot the bandwidth caps that tech companies have already put up. Netflix says hi with that problem. Now you want to look at over 10 gig. games easy if we're talking quality textures, audio, etc.
This is the wish of direct content providers and no one else. Gamestop and everyone else loses on the deal of digital distribution.
There are certainly issues like shelf space with physical but face facts, with companies like Warner and others, regardless how they're trying to hook the cherry download scheme, as it stands it is CHEAPER to produce copies on discs versus digital. Sheer volume is faster, even with fiber I would argue. Even if you don't want to argue that the physical disc offering is perfect for the decentralized model. How many people do you know of that still don't have great broadband, or any?
Don't cry to me about 4G or cell phone being desirable either. When I want to download a big game on my Windows Phone, it refuses to use my 4G and makes me use Wi-Fi.
The reason digital is so big with music would appear the market shrinking anyway. Most were going to digital at the beginning but audio is much less demanding in data and people were willing to settle. Do you think gamers will settle for their game looking a lot worse if the download is faster. Face it, we're all spoiled rotten in this and it won't be tolerated.
edit: The only way downloads in general become purely more profitable for the company is if their server facilities went completely self-sufficient, using green technologies like Solar, Tidal, Geothermal, Biomass, etc. I'm talking them even running pipe out to a major hub and paying for it themselves.

Originally Posted by Sarang01 Keep saying that and maybe it will become true. The fact is digital does not have the PIPELINE to facilitate the data ability necessary to make download even a remote possibility. You're asking for a standard fiber-optic connection in all homes and don't forgot the bandwidth caps that tech companies have already put up. Netflix says hi with that problem. Now you want to look at over 10 gig. games easy if we're talking quality textures, audio, etc. This is the wish of direct content providers and no one else. Gamestop and everyone else loses on the deal of digital distribution. There are certainly issues like shelf space with physical but face facts, with companies like Warner and others, regardless how they're trying to hook the cherry download scheme, as it stands it is CHEAPER to produce copies on discs versus digital. Sheer volume is faster, even with fiber I would argue. Even if you don't want to argue that the physical disc offering is perfect for the decentralized model. How many people do you know of that still don't have great broadband, or any? Don't cry to me about 4G or cell phone being desirable either. When I want to download a big game on my Windows Phone, it refuses to use my 4G and makes me use Wi-Fi. The reason digital is so big with music would appear the market shrinking anyway. Most were going to digital at the beginning but audio is much less demanding in data and people were willing to settle. Do you think gamers will settle for their game looking a lot worse if the download is faster. Face it, we're all spoiled rotten in this and it won't be tolerated. edit: The only way downloads in general become purely more profitable for the company is if their server facilities went completely self-sufficient, using green technologies like Solar, Tidal, Geothermal, Biomass, etc. I'm talking them even running pipe out to a major hub and paying for it themselves.

Thats only 10-15 years. Look at how much things changed since 1998.

Originally Posted by 62t Thats only 10-15 years. Look at how much things change 1998.

Wow you really think that Gamestop and other businesses will tolerate being marginalized in profit to the point of being grocery stores?
With taking up iTunes there was no way to go but up in profit. The same does not apply to video games and especially movies. Both have collector's swag as a point of profit for publishers especially.
As others have stated the profit margin is wonderful for used and likely arguably allows them to stay solvent as a business.
Ultimately people will not buy the Sony console and if Xbox and Nintendo pull this crap then Best Buy and the rest will blindside them with their own console and guaranteed developer exclusivity for a much longer time.
PSP Go was bullshit but made sense since sales for that in games over here were terrible, iTunes again. That was why the PSP Go was tolerated, if not begrudgingly accepted. However like I was saying, Best Buy and others will just make their own console in collaboration with each other. Imagine the power of the hardware and the sheer scale of mass production and what sort of cost for a console that would be. Couple that with exclusive publishers given promise of a guaranteed sell through on some games in terms of sales(even if Best Buy and others might take a slight bath). Basically I don't care how much money Sony and Microsoft as well as Nintendo have, they're not this stupid. They don't have the physical assets or even the financial one's of: Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart and Gamestop combined(that's just a few). Nintendo especially would get ed hard given they have no industry like Microsoft and Sony to fall back on.
What people here are appears to be either wishing for this or fearing this. In the former case consider how ed you'll get if you import. MS loves to block people from playing online Japanese content even if they OWN a Japanese 360, now supposedly having IP checking. Sony seems to be good about it but what if they suddenly swing the other way. One can only imagine what Nintendo might do.
In both changes, proxy changers or whatever they're called will become your best friends in both movies and video games so you can avoid the pure nonsense that is region rights.
On a side note, I don't even believe in region rights though I believe in copyright. The first is designed to milk you and expect your sale even when you're given an inferior copy since you live in said region. The latter is to actually see money go to the people who have actually created the product.

Originally Posted by Sarang01 Wow you really think that Gamestop and other businesses will tolerate being marginalized in profit to the point of being grocery stores? With taking up iTunes there was no way to go but up in profit. The same does not apply to video games and especially movies. Both have collector's swag as a point of profit for publishers especially. As others have stated the profit margin is wonderful for used and likely arguably allows them to stay solvent as a business. Ultimately people will not buy the Sony console and if Xbox and Nintendo pull this crap then Best Buy and the rest will blindside them with their own console and guaranteed developer exclusivity for a much longer time. PSP Go was bullshit but made sense since sales for that in games over here were terrible, iTunes again. That was why the PSP Go was tolerated, if not begrudgingly accepted. However like I was saying, Best Buy and others will just make their own console in collaboration with each other. Imagine the power of the hardware and the sheer scale of mass production and what sort of cost for a console that would be. Couple that with exclusive publishers given promise of a guaranteed sell through on some games in terms of sales(even if Best Buy and others might take a slight bath). Basically I don't care how much money Sony and Microsoft as well as Nintendo have, they're not this stupid. They don't have the physical assets or even the financial one's of: Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart and Gamestop combined(that's just a few). Nintendo especially would get ed hard given they have no industry like Microsoft and Sony to fall back on. What people here are appears to be either wishing for this or fearing this. In the former case consider how ed you'll get if you import. MS loves to block people from playing online Japanese content even if they OWN a Japanese 360, now supposedly having IP checking. Sony seems to be good about it but what if they suddenly swing the other way. One can only imagine what Nintendo might do. In both changes, proxy changers or whatever they're called will become your best friends in both movies and video games so you can avoid the pure nonsense that is region rights. On a side note, I don't even believe in region rights though I believe in copyright. The first is designed to milk you and expect your sale even when you're given an inferior copy since you live in said region. The latter is to actually see money go to the people who have actually created the product.

In 15 years gamestop will end up like tower record. They won't be a factor anymore as a B&M store. BBY is enough trouble that they are not really in any position to make demand. B&M store tried to avoid the digital wave but ended up carry those devices since they desperately need foot traffic to the store. On the other hand online retailers like amazon is ready to go full digital, and they are pushing their digital download hard. In fact gamestop is also moving in the digital download business in order to stay alive.

Book stores are gone. Music stores are gone. It is only a matter of time for gaming.

What happens when your console breaks after 13 months? Now you are not only out a $100+ repair fee or $300-$400 replacement, but your full library of 20-30 games become garbage?

Books and music are relatively small and can be downloaded over 4G. Games will require wifi or a broadband connection and the majority of Americans do NOT have high speed internet. Just like the majority of Americans do not have HDTV or a Blu-ray player. Hell, there are still a significant portion of people who only have a VHS player!

Although I guess I can see it if each generation lasts a decade or so.

Originally Posted by DNukem170 Books and music are relatively small and can be downloaded over 4G. Games will require wifi or a broadband connection and the majority of Americans do NOT have high speed internet. Just like the majority of Americans do not have HDTV or a Blu-ray player. Hell, there are still a significant portion of people who only have a VHS player! Although I guess I can see it if each generation lasts a decade or so.

And I remember when I first got the internet and it was intolerable to watch a quick video clip of the s\Simpsons (we are talking about 500kb via QuickTime) and now you can instantly stream HD Movies.


You also have a company (Nintendo) that has made a console were you can go into a retail store and buy a replacement tablet/controller.

I'm not sure what Sony has in mind but I don't blame them for patenting the technology and I'm sure they'll do their research before implementing it. As long as developers are behind it and they price it reasonably I could care less if it upsets the Gamefly/RedBox/Gamestop trade-in flippers.

But again we aren't talking about anything that will happen in the near future.

This might not even kill Gamestop. Having not read the patent itself, I'm wondering how feasible it would be for GS to work with Sony to either replace tags or reset them to their default state.

Or how feasible it would be to create a "skeleton tag" that'd allow a game to work on infinite consoles (for renting purposes). If it is possible, it'd be better than the current system. No "online passes" crap preventing online play for rentals.

Originally Posted by Salamando3000 Contactless RF tag on each copy of the game. If it works, sounds like a fairly brilliant way of removing used games without relying on the internet. I wonder how long it'll take hackers to either find a way to replace RF tags or to find a way to record the "unused" state of a tag and use that to rewrite the tag when they want to sell it. I'll still just continue to buy games when the content is worth the cost. This'll just change how cost is calculated.

LOL... only Sony would think to use the easiest hackable wireless technology there is. Probably take 10 minutes for someone to hack.

You guys are making some naive assumptions on both sides of the equation. GameStop will be provided with a device to reset the RFID chips. They won't go out of business. They'll be perfectly fine. The only people this will hurt will be the gamers who won't be able to resell games on eBay for higher prices than GameStop gives. Then of course, GameStop will be able to pay much less since there will be less competition. Oh and when your console breaks, I hope you don't mind rebuying all your games or paying Sony a $5 fee per game to get them reset.

I can't imaging many CAG's would buy a PS4 with this tech in it.

Originally Posted by Kazaganthi What happens when your console breaks after 13 months? Now you are not only out a $100+ repair fee or $300-$400 replacement, but your full library of 20-30 games become garbage?

It'll have to be similar to the iTunes Store. It tracks what games you've purchased and you're allowed a number of downloads or have a finite number of machines on which you can place the software. This stuff is already occurring with the PSP, iOS products, the Vita, and the PS3. It's not a stretch to see this next gen IMO.

Originally Posted by Kazaganthi What happens when your console breaks after 13 months? Now you are not only out a $100+ repair fee or $300-$400 replacement, but your full library of 20-30 games become garbage?

The same thing that happens when your PS3 or Xbox 360 break? You should be able to transfer everything to a new system.

Originally Posted by 62t The same thing that happens when your PS3 or Xbox 360 break? You should be able to transfer everything to a new system.

I feel like someone should mention the patent app specifically refers to the ID as "reproduction device ID or a user ID". There's still the question of "what if I never take my system online". Allow for backing up on a USB dongle or in the controller itself perhaps? Or actually keep all info on a memory card that's required to even start the system?

Originally Posted by 62t The same thing that happens when your PS3 or Xbox 360 break? You should be able to transfer everything to a new system.

He's making a comparison of digital to physical media. Nonsensical.

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Originally Posted by Blaster man I can't imaging many CAG's would buy a PS4 with this tech in it.

I would buy it, if Sony offers crazy sales like steam and continue with PS+.

Originally Posted by htz I would buy it, if Sony offers crazy sales like steam and continue with PS+.

Wait, you'll buy it IF Sony offers sales or you'll wait for sales and then decide its okay to buy it????

Originally Posted by htz I would buy it, if Sony offers crazy sales like steam and continue with PS+.

I would buy it too. People had no problem buying a system with no WiFi, a high failure rate and dated technology as the optical drive.

If it ever did happen I'm sure most of the issues in this thread would be addressed. The only people that really get hurt are those that only buy used or those that resell used media.

I would actually even support the tech if as I mentioned earlier it allowed them to take a break from the $60 MSRP pricing structure