Originally Posted by kinjutsu11 Incorrect. Their last quarter was profitable. Their gaming division hasn't been profitable in about that much time though, but Sony will still be around as its many different branches offset each other. And the Vita certainly isn't helping their bottom line, as much as I love mine.

He's not incorrect if their annual numbers show losses. He didn't say a quarterly profit.

Originally Posted by kinjutsu11 Incorrect. Their last quarter was profitable. Their gaming division hasn't been profitable in about that much time though, but Sony will still be around as its many different branches offset each other. And the Vita certainly isn't helping their bottom line, as much as I love mine.

Preface: I'm not saying anyone is wrong.

There seems to be a mountain of contradictory positions on this topic. By way of example, if you listen to Podcast Beyond (IGN) they repeatedly claim that Sony's games division is the only one that is making a profit. (in contrast to Televisions, camera's, pc's and other electronics)

Originally Posted by kinjutsu11 Incorrect. Their last quarter was profitable. Their gaming division hasn't been profitable in about that much time though, but Sony will still be around as its many different branches offset each other. And the Vita certainly isn't helping their bottom line, as much as I love mine.

I know this is CAG and everything, but Sony reported a 7th consecutive loss for 2Q12. They reported a slight operating profit, which isn't bottom line, from selling their chemical business. Sony, and really Japan Inc. in general, are dinosaurs. You look up Sony's last annual report and it's Kaz with a great motivation quote, "Sony will change." LOL, too little, too late. Japan is gonna fall off the face of the earth in 10 years.

It's all publicly available information:

http://quicktake.morningstar.com/sto...spx?symbol=sne

Originally Posted by confoosious He's not incorrect if their annual numbers show losses. He didn't say a quarterly profit.

He also didn't say annual. He said hasn't posted a profit in 4 years, and they have. Not trying to argue, and I do agree with him on the conflicting reports of their game div versus their others. In the beginning of the ps3 era, it was certainly the reason they lost money, though now its probably TVs as Samsung and lg eclipsed them. Their movie div is always solid, they actually had the highest market share worldwide in 2012.
Again though, meant no offense or argument in case people thought so. I don't know you, but I still love you

Originally Posted by Stele I know this is CAG and everything, but Sony reported a 7th consecutive loss for 2Q12. They reported a slight operating profit, which isn't bottom line, from selling their chemical business. Sony, and really Japan Inc. in general, are dinosaurs. You look up Sony's last annual report and it's Kaz with a great motivation quote, "Sony will change." LOL, too little, too late. Japan is gonna fall off the face of the earth in 10 years.

why do so many people seem to revel in watching companies / products fail these days? I hope they pull out of their purported tailspin - I'd rather they make lots of money and continue to make consoles/games for us to enjoy for years to come instead of them vanishing and saying 'LOL, too little, too late'. Yeesh.

No replies yet after an hour of posting on their forum, my post keeps being passed over for others, can't get a response in the other one either. Maybe somebody dun goofed, maybe they are looking into it. I'd advise maybe more people to post in unboxed so we can get an answer. Takes like 2 minutes and would help your fellow CAGs get this straightened out. Make a phone call, do something at least, right?

Originally Posted by Stele Why do you have such an affinity to some foreign company that gives no shits about you? The game industry will always be around, but the players and landscape will be different.

Since I'm sure this will all be wiped by a mod in the near future - I have an affinity for the game industry as it exists today and Sony happens to be a part of it, I'd say the same about Microsoft or Nintendo. It's not like Sega came back and started making consoles again after they left the console stage - the entry cost to a company trying to step up to fill the void if Sony failed would be unfathomable. So we'd only have two options instead of three. How long would that last?

I'm sure you're right - the game industry will always be around in some form and I'm sure the current form of the game industry is on its way down. I'm just not ready to embrace the new bite size game/tap the tablet form the industry is taking and I'm feeling really stubborn about it.

"Hey therealdanhill,

Thanks for the heads-up! I've confirmed with our merchant team that these games should reflect sale prices and not their normal MSRP. We're working to address the issue as quickly as possible and should have their respective listings updated soon."


Welp, there ya go guys.

Originally Posted by Stele No, I would still lean more towards you being wrong and wrong. Like I already said, Sony is not running a healthy conglomerate. Opportunistically selling their chemical business and other earnings management shenanigans, and they got a small army of MBAs and finance people doing this shit, does not mean they have a viable business model. There's way too much noise in quarterly earnings, which is why annualized financials are more objective. No one cares if Sony made money during the 5th second of the 21st day of February for instance.

No one may care, but my post was in response to someone else, and in the context of that, I was wrong about last quarter being profitable but right about them posting a profit within the last 4 years, even if it was for a fraction of a second. Just because you find it wrong and wrong, doesnt mean it is. And I am not arguing if Sony runs a healthy business or not....as long as I get products and services from them that I enjoy, I'm happy, whether they're in the red or black. I'd obviously prefer them in the black.

sales up !

Hey guys! I just looked at the prices change when you click on the product, even it they still show the normal price in the list.

Have fun!

Originally Posted by therealdanhill "Hey therealdanhill, Thanks for the heads-up! I've confirmed with our merchant team that these games should reflect sale prices and not their normal MSRP. We're working to address the issue as quickly as possible and should have their respective listings updated soon." Welp, there ya go guys.

Nice, thanks for the heads up. Now gonna keep hitting F5 til I see the new prices!

which psvita games should i get?

As a Vita owner, I'm a little disappointed in these prices. Perhaps if SFxT was $19, and MvC3U was $15, I'd bite; but as it stands, it looks like a no-go for this guy. Oh well...there's always next time.

MK has popped up at $9.99,
Black Ops Declassified at $34.99,
UMvC3, Ridge Racer, Gravity Rush, Smart As - $19.99
SFxT, Fifa 13 and Slient Hill at $24.99
Uncharted at $29.99.

Prices are up!

Apologies if this has been answered, but are these prices good for in-store?

So... all that fuss for these prices? I am disappoint.

Mortal Kombat - $9.99
Gravity Rush $19.99
Ridge Racer - $19.99
Smart As - $19.99
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - $19.99
FIFA 13 - $24.99
Silent Hill: Book of Memories - $24.99
Street Fighter X Tekken - $24.99
Uncharted: Golden Abyss - $29.99
Call of Duty Black Ops: Declassified - $34.99

Pass on everything except maybe Mortal Kombat. Missed it the first time it dropped that low. I have Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on 360, so I would have only gotten that had it dropped to $10.

so these ps vita prices are pretty shitastic :(

Originally Posted by kinjutsu11 MK has popped up at $9.99, Black Ops Declassified at $34.99, UMvC3, Ridge Racer, Gravity Rush, Smart As - $19.99 SFxT, Fifa 13 and Slient Hill at $24.99 Uncharted at $29.99. Prices are up!

Yeah, was just gonna post that if you add to cart, sale price shows....