Originally Posted by kodave What's the current status of things like the DLC and online servers for WWE 13 now that THQ is essentially no more? Is the game dead in the water?

Well, the online servers were consistently *terrible* year after year for the WWE titles, so even if they shut down fully, it can't be much worse than the status quo.[/cranky]

We'll see what happens with the WWE license. Enjoy '13, since I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we'll see the next WWE game in late-2014. Sucks for WWE's financials; wonder if they're ever going to get their $$$ due them from THQ.

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback Zen Davis is watching is one of the best tags I have ever seen on CAG.

Originally Posted by guyver2077 if Take 2 have to start from scratch with a new developer?

Even as someone who was suckered in by the Xbox WWF/E games, I still say *please* try something new. I'd rather see a solid engine with fewer options; Yuke's has made bigger games with more "busy" bullshit, but the core problems were never really addressed.

Take Two is a publisher, Yuke's is a developer. The former fronts the cost for the game, the latter makes the game. Think of the relationship as similar between publishers and authors in the book industry, or labels and bands in the record industry. One group puts up the financial risk, one group makes the end product. Take Two can continue to work with Yuke's easily enough*, I suppose - or they can shop around for another developer.

* Meh, there may be some contractual issues lingering I don't know about.

i like cm punk's whole "i hate everyone" thing... and i love the fact that he's not in on the shield. when everyone starts spouting out the rocks catch phrases, i love how punk calls them out on it. he's basically making fun of the entire wwe universe. he's still basically doing the whole "time for a change" thing still. its almost like he's begging for the whole PG thing to be lifted so he can really stand out. ala the attitude era.

mark my words one day the start of the show is gonna have a big giant disclaimer and cm punk will come out first... and there will be a giant pipebomb.

i think we are on the brink of a new era. could start after rumble or after wrestlemania, most likely mania.

as of now im still confused on the cm punk vs. rock for the title match... im not sure who will win... they can't have rock win... then defend vs. cena at mania... lose to cena... i mean it will get them a ton of publicity. ROCK is champ for 2 months... think of all the press they will get. and the craziest thoughts i've had.... rock beats punk.... cena wins Rumble, then cena beats rock for title........... then ziggler cashes in... and wins... thats my prediction.

Punk bores me on the mic.

I read about Cena's promo being gaaaaaahd-awful this past Monday, so I went back to watch it. I have to admit I was taken in by it. But for the wrong reasons. It was a stream-of-consciousness so full of fail I was awestruck. I understand what he was trying to set up, but it ing *failed* miserably. That said, it was very catchy in a car-wreck sense, waiting to see his next fall-flat clever phrase. I'd tune in to watch Cena flop on the mic for a few months.

But Punk doesn't work for me. He tries too hard to be a new kind of cool heel. The problem is that most of the stuff he says is *right* - which is just wrong wrong wrong for a heel. I find that he's (thematically) repetitive on the mic, and the things he says don't really make me react one way or another. He's not Randy Orton boring, but he's getting there.

Originally Posted by Scorch Looks like Take 2 will be getting/has already received the WWE license.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk

It makes no sense why they'd have the guy that pandered to little kids and women come out at 11PM. Why not have him in the first hour?

One working theory is that they're deliberately shitting the bed on the third hour b/c hour #2 is now the time for selling the main stuff (i.e., they've accepted that hour #3 is when a lot of viewers tune out).

That's a little too conspiratorial for me (I don't think WWE would sabotage their own show that isn't called "WCW" or "ECW"), especially since I assume they hyped Cena coming out for the whole show, yes? So they wouldn't build up to a segment that intentionally seeks to get over like a fart in church.

I think they let Cena roll out there without a script and he failed. There's no way his schtick was written. Or worse yet, it was. Not everyone can hit a home run every night if they shake up the things they say in their promos. Rock's had some "ehhhh" moments in his promos the past few years, yes? That's all it is, I suspect.

One has to wonder though, how many people tried to add Skidmarks187 to their friends list on XBL since Monday night?

Originally Posted by mykevermin Punk bores me on the mic. I read about Cena's promo being gaaaaaahd-awful this past Monday, so I went back to watch it. I have to admit I was taken in by it. But for the wrong reasons. It was a stream-of-consciousness so full of fail I was awestruck. I understand what he was trying to set up, but it ing *failed* miserably. That said, it was very catchy in a car-wreck sense, waiting to see his next fall-flat clever phrase. I'd tune in to watch Cena flop on the mic for a few months. But Punk doesn't work for me. He tries too hard to be a new kind of cool heel. The problem is that most of the stuff he says is *right* - which is just wrong wrong wrong for a heel. I find that he's (thematically) repetitive on the mic, and the things he says don't really make me react one way or another. He's not Randy Orton boring, but he's getting there.

He appeals to smarks with his "Tyson Kidd" plug and other insider references. I think a true heel should repel the mindless WWE fan and the older wrasslin fan. That's why Miz works better as a heel. The 10-year-old WWE fan dislikes him for being a jerk, and the older WWE fan dislikes him because of Tough Enough or MTV or the fact that his in-ring work is pretty boring or whatever else.

Everyone wants to be a tweener and no one wants to fully commit. This includes Punk. Outside of Barrett and Ryder, who else completely embraces their character alignment? Even Brodus Clay has shown signs of turning heel. Just ridiculous.

Gonna point out that D-Von knows how to work the crowd and is an excellent heel. Bubba, too. Bobby Roode, Robbie E, Daniels, Kazarian, etc.

And is anyone else done with this "Shield" angle/gimmick? Had potential but now just painfully boring.

Originally Posted by dkreegz515 Rock is champ for 2 months... think of all the press they will get. and the craziest thoughts i've had.... rock beats punk.... cena wins Rumble, then cena beats rock for title........... then ziggler cashes in... and wins... thats my prediction.

Ziggler cant cash in. It's not the World Heavyweight title.

Miz is a thoroughly unlikeable skeezer, that's why he's a heel.

Originally Posted by Chase And is anyone else done with this "Shield" angle/gimmick? Had potential but now just painfully boring.

I'm trying to learn to be more patient with this angle and Aces/Eights. Give it time to develop, if only to encourage slower story arcs in wrestling, and less hot shot, shortsighted stuff.

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I just think its ridiculous that that not one member of the shield has had a match beyond one PPV match yet(unless you count NXT and NXT kind of exists in its own universe almost). They need to establish a little cred in ring.

I bought the Brian Pillman DLC off of WWE 13 and it looks nothing like him.. Looks like some CAW

The "cred" they are trying to establish with The Shield is that they're badasses that aren't governed by anyone (I guess if you ignore the PPV match, my thesis is true?). I mean, why else hasn't Vince said "YOU'RRRREEEE FIIIIIIAAAARRRRREEEDDD"?

Originally Posted by mykevermin Punk bores me on the mic. I read about Cena's promo being gaaaaaahd-awful this past Monday, so I went back to watch it. I have to admit I was taken in by it. But for the wrong reasons. It was a stream-of-consciousness so full of fail I was awestruck. I understand what he was trying to set up, but it ing *failed* miserably. That said, it was very catchy in a car-wreck sense, waiting to see his next fall-flat clever phrase. I'd tune in to watch Cena flop on the mic for a few months. But Punk doesn't work for me. He tries too hard to be a new kind of cool heel. The problem is that most of the stuff he says is *right* - which is just wrong wrong wrong for a heel. I find that he's (thematically) repetitive on the mic, and the things he says don't really make me react one way or another. He's not Randy Orton boring, but he's getting there.

To me, he's past Randy Orton boring. I mute the television every time he appears on the screen.

That's pretty odd, because I only tune in when CM Punk (or Antonio Cesaro) is talking/wrassling. Everything else is muted or turned off.

Originally Posted by Mandy I Am To me, he's past Randy Orton boring. I mute the television every time he appears on the screen.

Orton has absolutely no character anymore. He's just this mindless guy that seems to be out there only for a check. He could easily be a major heel. He has the past history, the look, etc.

I read recently that Orton might be taking time off for "personal reasons", so maybe that's why he seems out of it lately. idk...

Super-Cena is starting to wear thin as well.

Orton's problem is that he's a natural heel that only turned because the fans kept cheering him. He's honestly one of the few WWE guys I can name in recent memory who had a turn based on fan reaction. The problem is that it neutered an already boring guy even further.

Plus, he's a two striker, which means they're likely hesistant to invest in him. I'm still surprised that the rumor for Mania is Orton/Sheamus, but I'm convinced it's solely because Orton still gets a bigger reaction than most SD guys and they aren't ready to commit to an up-and-comer yet. We'll see. At the end of the day, though, how many programs do you want to base around a guy who could up at any time and suddenly force your hand with the Wellness Policy? Both he and Mysterio are high profile enough that it'd be hard to keep quiet if they hit that third strike.

In terms of having no character, Orton has basically been nothing more than a finishing move for a very, very long time. It's a shame, too, because I do think Orton has a lot of squandered potential, but we're unlikely to ever see it at this point.

Agreed. I remember early on being impressed with how much effort he put into his moves. Even his rest holds showed signs of practice and refinement.

Originally Posted by 007 Orton's problem is that he's a natural heel that only turned because the fans kept cheering him. He's honestly one of the few WWE guys I can name in recent memory who had a turn based on fan reaction. The problem is that it neutered an already boring guy even further. Plus, he's a two striker, which means they're likely hesistant to invest in him. I'm still surprised that the rumor for Mania is Orton/Sheamus, but I'm convinced it's solely because Orton still gets a bigger reaction than most SD guys and they aren't ready to commit to an up-and-comer yet. We'll see. At the end of the day, though, how many programs do you want to base around a guy who could up at any time and suddenly force your hand with the Wellness Policy? Both he and Mysterio are high profile enough that it'd be hard to keep quiet if they hit that third strike. In terms of having no character, Orton has basically been nothing more than a finishing move for a very, very long time. It's a shame, too, because I do think Orton has a lot of squandered potential, but we're unlikely to ever see it at this point.

Regarding the wellness plan. How is it that the WWE could have someone like Ryback on the roster (who, in my opinion, has to be on SOMETHING)? I just don't see how a guy gets into that kind of condition without some help...

Originally Posted by mykevermin Agreed. I remember early on being impressed with how much effort he put into his moves. Even his rest holds showed signs of practice and refinement.

"Another chinlock, Randy?"