Has anyone actually played Of Orcs & Men yet? $16 (less another 20% for using discounted BC... $12.80?) sounds attractive enough if it's good but really all I know if the premise.

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this is all in fun, hopefully no one gets butt hurt

Originally Posted by sunasun Have: Metro 2033 $1,000,000 You Don't Know Jack $350,000 this is all in fun, hopefully no one gets butt hurt

Temping but I'm all out of Zimbabwe Dollars.

Originally Posted by Syntax Error Has anyone actually played Of Orcs & Men yet? $16 (less another 20% for using discounted BC... $12.80?) sounds attractive enough if it's good but really all I know if the premise.

It has crappy Act Control DRM with a limited number of activations that has been scaring me off. It's the same even if you get it on Steam. Much of the continent of Europe seems to still have not gotten the memo that account based DRM with unlimited activations > hardware based DRM with limited activations.

When asked about it, a representative from Focus (the publisher) replied that if you don't like DRM, buy it on the consoles.

I honestly don't know what GG's policy is on if you run out of activations if they will reissue you a new key or otherwise assist like Amazon does.

In theory you could always write to Focus I guess and hope they respond.

It could be okay, the premise seems a little interesting but I will wait for either the DRM to get yanked or a $5 or below price if it doesn't.

Originally Posted by asheskitty Temping but I'm all out of Zimbabwe Dollars.

Originally, I was going to ask for sandwich bags full of finger nail clippings
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Welcome back Motoki!!!!!

Originally Posted by Motoki When asked about it, a representative from Focus (the publisher) replied that if you don't like DRM, buy it on the consoles.

It's a strange little place is that forum thread. Couple of deluded people adamant that Steam is not DRM.

Steam isn't always DRM. Some games on steam you can launch without steam. It's sad to see poorly informed anti-DRM people who don't realize that. I was dealing with one of those in the steam thread the other day.

If it only has steam-account based DRM that's as good as it gets these days for DRM'd titles.

Some - a very few - games do not hook into Steam. And "it isn't always" means "it is most of the time"

Yep yep, there we go. Trolls love my posts.

Originally Posted by Tolyngee Steam isn't always DRM? Can I sell the key already activated on my account then? No you say? Then yes, it's DRM.

By that logic every drm free game on Amazon, in a Humble Bundle or anywhere else is actually DRM as you cannot sell them.

Originally Posted by asheskitty Yep yep, there we go. Trolls love my posts.

I love your posts

Originally Posted by asheskitty Steam isn't always DRM. Some games on steam you can launch without steam. It's sad to see poorly informed anti-DRM people who don't realize that. I was dealing with one of those in the steam thread the other day. If it only has steam-account based DRM that's as good as it gets these days for DRM'd titles.

There are almost 2000 actual games (discounting DLC) on Steam.

Of those, a little over 100 do not have any Steam DRM and almost all of these are either older games (some very old) or smaller indie games that are DRM-free from many sources (such as the Humble Bundle):

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/lis...on_steam/page1

Finally, I disagree with the statement that Steam DRM is as good as it gets: I would much rather have a simple serial-based activation (with no limits) rather than Steam limiting access to my *all* of the games in my account to one user at any one time. I have a family and we all like to play different games at any point in time - just because my kids want to play Secret of the Magic Crystal shouldn't prevent me from playing Prince of Persia at the same time simply because they're both tied to the same account. And no, multiple accounts do not cut it, even two or three quickly become unmanageable - I know, I've tried.

Originally Posted by asheskitty Yep yep, there we go. Trolls love my posts.

I think my reply was my third post here? And I'm already a troll? Oh. Thanks.

Originally Posted by seamoss There are almost 2000 actual games (discounting DLC) on Steam. Of those, a little over 100 do not have any Steam DRM and almost all of these are either older games (some very old) or smaller indie games that are DRM-free from many sources (such as the Humble Bundle): http://www.gog.com/forum/general/lis...on_steam/page1 Finally, I disagree with the statement that Steam DRM is as good as it gets: I would much rather have a simple serial-based activation (with no limits) rather than Steam limiting access to my *all* of the games in my account to one user at any one time. I have a family and we all like to play different games at any point in time - just because my kids want to play Secret of the Magic Crystal shouldn't prevent me from playing Prince of Persia at the same time simply because they're both tied to the same account. And no, multiple accounts do not cut it, even two or three quickly become unmanageable - I know, I've tried.

I agree with you completely on your latter point. I miss the old serial/CD-key DRM. When's the last time you saw that? (hence "these days")

I think a lot of people are quibbling heavily in a trollish way over my use of "isn't always"

Originally Posted by ButtonPusher I think my reply was my third post here? And I'm already a troll? Oh. Thanks.

TROLL! TROLL! BURN IT ...

actually, the fact you got Asheskitty to respond with a single sentence seemed like some sort of accomplishment in my book ;-)

Originally Posted by Drabelincoln I love your posts

^_^ I enjoy yours.

Originally Posted by etcrane TROLL! TROLL! BURN IT ... actually, the fact you got Asheskitty to respond with a single sentence seemed like some sort of accomplishment in my book ;-)

Well the fact that he interpreted my trolls remark as applying to him indicates something. Those are also his 7th and 8th posts on CAG (joined in Nov).

Sometimes less is more. ^_~

...and

Ah, now there's a classic Asheskitty post ;-)

Originally Posted by asheskitty I think a lot of people are quibbling heavily in a trollish way over my use of "isn't always"

........

I'm not 'a lot of people' and if you think my few words was 'quibbling heavily in a trollish way' then ... good grief. Still, no need to derail this thread any further.

Back to On-topic: I completely agree with seamoss and how Steam affects family play. Steam is a single-person app. I can imagine Steam would release a "Steam box" which allowed family to play all games - like content bought on one PSN account can be played by anyone using that machine - and having that as a selling point.

Originally Posted by seamoss Finally, I disagree with the statement that Steam DRM is as good as it gets: I would much rather have a simple serial-based activation (with no limits) rather than Steam limiting access to my *all* of the games in my account to one user at any one time. I have a family and we all like to play different games at any point in time - just because my kids want to play Secret of the Magic Crystal shouldn't prevent me from playing Prince of Persia at the same time simply because they're both tied to the same account. And no, multiple accounts do not cut it, even two or three quickly become unmanageable - I know, I've tried.

Digital games, including GOG DRM-free games, are single user, not single computer. So technically, you do need one copy per person playing, so there's nothing wrong with multiple accounts, one per kid.

If they change the laws to allow digital licenses to be resold, like they are doing in Europe, then you have an argument.

Originally Posted by ButtonPusher ........ I'm not 'a lot of people' and if you think my few words was 'quibbling heavily in a trollish way' then ... good grief. Still, no need to derail this thread any further. Back to On-topic: I completely agree with seamoss and how Steam affects family play. Steam is a single-person app. I can imagine Steam would release a "Steam box" which allowed family to play all games - like content bought on one PSN account can be played by anyone using that machine - and having that as a selling point.

I had assumed that Ashes was referring to the asinine "can I sell my steam game back?" argument in the post after yours.

(Asinine because, as was noted, you can't really sell any digital game, whether it be linked to an account or DRM free, and I would even argue that to sell a used Serial based PC game is more or less impossible, unless you're buying it from a friend that you know is extremely trustworthy.)