Originally Posted by Blaster man Price drop/720 launch coming...soon? According to gaming podcasts I listen to, they believe MS will launch before E3.

I would stop listening to that podcast.

Originally Posted by Anexanhume I would stop listening to that podcast.

It was Arthur Gies from Polygon. Also apparently Game Informer has a rumor about it. I don't get that magazine though.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508231

edit: Also Tim Stevens - Engadget EIC - interviewed Kaz at CES and said that Kaz was hinting that the PS4 would launch prior to e3. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when these things are announced in a couple of months.

Originally Posted by Blaster man It was Arthur Gies from Polygon. Also apparently Game Informer has a rumor about it. I don't get that magazine though. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508231 edit: Also Tim Stevens - Engadget EIC - interviewed Kaz at CES and said that Kaz was hinting that the PS4 would launch prior to e3. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when these things are announced in a couple of months.

That thread says nothing about them launching, just being announced in between GDC and E3.

Originally Posted by Anexanhume That thread says nothing about them launching, just being announced in between GDC and E3.

That's fine. Announce not launch. Semantics as far as I'm concerned as most people won't want to buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 once the announcements happen. IMO these sales for the 360 and PS3 more or less give credence to these rumors.

Originally Posted by Blaster man That's fine. Announce not launch. Semantics as far as I'm concerned as most people won't want to buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 once the announcements happen. IMO these sales for the 360 and PS3 more or less give credence to these rumors.

What sales?...A gift card promo at a single retailer on a single SKU that had no pack in game/tiny $20 off holiday price promotions during the holiday when the other bundles had packed in games, plus a $50 price cut plus occasional gift card promos during the holidays....sounds like burning off some slow moving inventory before the end of BB's fiscal year vs some grand plan from MS.

MS has actually put up the prices of the 360 bundles from the holidays (back to $299 for 250gb bundle) and Sony seems quite content to keep the $250 or higher price point for their hardware for at least the near term, given they launched the white PS3 at $300 yesterday.

So if they announce prior to E3 will everyone come back and apologize to me or are you too prideful for that?

Originally Posted by Blaster man So if they announce prior to E3 will everyone come back and apologize to me or are you too prideful for that?

What? Both of us are saying the sales are completely independent of any forthcoming announcements. The existence of the sale does nothing to strengthen or dismiss the claim that new consoles are being announced before E3.

Originally Posted by Blaster man Don't argue with me, I'm not stating fact, you are acting like you are stating fact. I'm simply posting what professionals in the industry have heard. They may have said announced and not launched, can't remember. Word is that Sony will do the same. They want to beat one another supposedly. Time will tell.

HUGE difference in announcing console vs. selling it.

Originally Posted by MSUHitman HUGE difference in announcing console vs. selling it.

Agreed. I misstated what I meant although both have the effect of making the sales of the current console fall off a cliff which would be why IMO stores are trying to sell inventory down with discounts.

Originally Posted by Blaster man Agreed. I misstated what I meant although both have the effect of making the sales of the current console fall off a cliff which would be why IMO stores are trying to sell inventory down with discounts.

That's what people believe, and I would agree, but there's no historical evidence that this is true. No console has ever been announced and released in the same year before.

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I dont think anyone would be at all shocked if the PS4 or 720 was announced before E3. Would be pretty shocked if they are released before then.

Sony also did say they would let the 720 get announced before the ps4

I really think they should wait until 2014. It makes more sense, well at least for me. I don't want to have to get another console just yet.

Originally Posted by Blaster man Agreed. I misstated what I meant although both have the effect of making the sales of the current console fall off a cliff which would be why IMO stores are trying to sell inventory down with discounts.

You might have something to talk about if multiple retailers were doing deals on multiple SKUs, but one retailer doing a promo on a single SKU isn't indicative of anything.

And as I mentioned above MS actually RAISED PRICES across the board on their hardware in the last week or so.

You are vastly overestimating the possible 'osborne' effect, given that new hardware isn't a simple replacement for current hardware due to the probable high price and lack of software. Sony sold huge number of PS2s during the period when the PS3 was announced/launched because it was targeted at a completely different market segment than the PS3 and that the PS2 was fraction of the PS3 in price...Same with the DS....tons of those have sold during the period when the DSI, DSIxl and 3DS were announced and launched as well. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest, and more significantly, most can't afford it nowadays. If folks haven't bought a 360/PS3 by now, they probably either have zero interest or can't afford it. Neither of those factors are likely to be different for the next gen of hardware for the first couple of years.

Whatever hardware comes out in the next year, only a small segment of the market will be motivated to buy due to the price/lack of software. Announcing new hardware will have minimal impact on existing hardware sales (price info, launch games and how long they are going to be waiting for it are necessary for people to make the buy now/wait decisions in most cases) ...however, once the launch price and date are set (which won't be set until probably Aug/Sept at the earliest...Look what Nintendo did with the WiiU),there might be some impact of some buyers holding out but that will be completely overwhelmed by new sales to price sensitive consumers with price drops on the old hardware that will coincide with new hardware launch. No one is clearing out inventory in prep for the next gen at this stage...this market doesn't work that way...they clear it out a year or two AFTER the next gen comes out (or in the PS2's case 5 years after).

Originally Posted by blume3 I don't want to have to get another console just yet.

You could always just not buy it, I intend to wait at least 1 maybe 2 years before I buy another console. That way I can clear some of my backlog and the prices will have come down.

Originally Posted by murphyspub That's what people believe, and I would agree, but there's no historical evidence that this is true. No console has ever been announced and released in the same year before.

The Xbox 360 was announced in 2005 and was released that same year.

Originally Posted by Indiana That's not going to happen. They may announce before E3 but I expect they will want to announce at E3 so they can be the star of the show. Launch will be in the fall I expect like every console so that they can get all the holiday shoppers.

Originally Posted by deader2818 i dont think anyone would be at all shocked if the ps4 or 720 was announced before e3. Would be pretty shocked if they are released before then. Sony also did say they would let the 720 get announced before the ps4

Originally Posted by k_g you might have something to talk about if multiple retailers were doing deals on multiple skus, but one retailer doing a promo on a single sku isn't indicative of anything. And as i mentioned above ms actually raised prices across the board on their hardware in the last week or so. You are vastly overestimating the possible 'osborne' effect, given that new hardware isn't a simple replacement for current hardware due to the probable high price and lack of software. Sony sold huge number of ps2s during the period when the ps3 was announced/launched because it was targeted at a completely different market segment than the ps3 and that the ps2 was fraction of the ps3 in price...same with the ds....tons of those have sold during the period when the dsi, dsixl and 3ds were announced and launched as well. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest, and more significantly, most can't afford it nowadays. If folks haven't bought a 360/ps3 by now, they probably either have zero interest or can't afford it. Neither of those factors are likely to be different for the next gen of hardware for the first couple of years. Whatever hardware comes out in the next year, only a small segment of the market will be motivated to buy due to the price/lack of software. Announcing new hardware will have minimal impact on existing hardware sales (price info, launch games and how long they are going to be waiting for it are necessary for people to make the buy now/wait decisions in most cases) ...however, once the launch price and date are set (which won't be set until probably aug/sept at the earliest...look what nintendo did with the wiiu),there might be some impact of some buyers holding out but that will be completely overwhelmed by new sales to price sensitive consumers with price drops on the old hardware that will coincide with new hardware launch. No one is clearing out inventory in prep for the next gen at this stage...this market doesn't work that way...they clear it out a year or two after the next gen comes out (or in the ps2's case 5 years after).

Originally Posted by blaster man it was arthur gies from polygon. Also apparently game informer has a rumor about it. I don't get that magazine though. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508231 edit: Also tim stevens - engadget eic - interviewed kaz at ces and said that kaz was hinting that the ps4 would launch prior to e3. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when these things are announced in a couple of months.

Originally Posted by anexanhume i would stop listening to that podcast.

boom proven right. Awaiting apology.

What exactly were you proven right about?

Well, I guess they actually may announce it...this month too..

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/31/s...0-playstation/

Everyone said that they would not be shocked at all if the new systems were announced before E3. He was going on about it launching before E3 which are two totally different things, lol.

Originally Posted by Blaster man It was Arthur Gies from Polygon. Also apparently Game Informer has a rumor about it. I don't get that magazine though. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508231 edit: Also Tim Stevens - Engadget EIC - interviewed Kaz at CES and said that Kaz was hinting that the PS4 would launch prior to e3. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when these things are announced in a couple of months.

Sony has already stated that they are waiting for Microsoft to make the first move. I don't think you will see much from them because they want to start making money off the PS3.