Originally Posted by Royal High Knight As for those microtransactions, EA can go themeselves. They already have story dlc being made for the game. If its anything like Sever, its most likely gonna cost $10 and only last an hour or two.

I play thegame with companies like EA & Capcom. Just buy the vanilla game if it comes with credit or a good deal. I never buy DLC & just wait for the complete/GOTY with the way DS3 looks there will be a complete or trilogy pack & I'll get that @ $20.

I don't want the franchise to die(even though I'm not a fam of them moving towards RE instead of silent Hill) but I hope this can be changed down the line.

I have been hesitant to get the Unlocked membership cause I refuse to pay the $15 fee and pay more than $30 for a game lol. But I really regret that, I could have got around $10 more over the winter break when doing trade in. Ugh! Anyway, about to get my $15 certificate from doing bestbuy facebook polls. Will pre order Tomb Raider, GTA IV and Last of Us. Hopefully the Survival ed of The Last of Us will be included.

Originally Posted by PhilsUtley26 Cloak will make alot of people rage quit especially if you have snipers camping high. I don't like the high jumping either as people just start jumping when they get shot. Just rent it for the campaign.

I played 2 hours of the crysis beta, I probably only got sniped 4 times. Hunter mode is pretty fun, I had some good lol moments.

Errr just played the Crysis 3 beta on 360 today, the trailers make it look SO much better than it actually is... glad i haven't preordered this one yet :/

Debating over getting Dead Space now using RZ points from previous offers or waiting for a good sale later on. Still have Ni No Kuni and DmC probably not even half finished each. Definitely not touching the DS3 DLC if I do pick it up. I rarely buy DLC anyway and I'm certainly not going to pay for shortcuts through the game.

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 Oh look we got a badass here! People like you who just let crap happen to them are the reason EA does this stuff. You need to get some reality.

And people like you who don't really understand how the whole package has to come together and would rather piss and moan about it on the internet give rational gamers a bad name.

Originally Posted by secondhand1 And people like you who don't really understand how the whole package has to come together and would rather piss and moan about it on the internet give rational gamers a bad name.

Really? Do tell then. How does this whole package have to come together? Please explain how shortcuts, character skins, and monetizing gameplay mechanics "brings the game together"? Try to explain how those things actually don't break the game into little pieces to sell in little chunks? This is a $60 release. Not a F2P game. I bitch because EA will continue to do this until it is pay to play and then pay some more without actually giving us anything. These are not MMOs or F2P games. You seem to think you understand what is happening here so enlighten me. How exactly is this type of thing good for us as gamers that you so desperately think I am giving a bad name. Would it just be better if I bent over and took it like a good little gamer?

I read that LEs/CEs are now part of the $20 promo? That's pretty awesome for GoW:A and LoU. Question, is there a cheap way to be an unlocked member? $15 magazine subscription is the only way? How do you pre-order the LEs/CEs?

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Originally Posted by cancerman1120 Really? Do tell then. How does this whole package have to come together? Please explain how shortcuts, character skins, and monetizing gameplay mechanics "brings the game together"? Try to explain how those things actually don't break the game into little pieces to sell in little chunks? This is a $60 release. Not a F2P game. I bitch because EA will continue to do this until it is pay to play and then pay some more without actually giving us anything. These are not MMOs or F2P games. You seem to think you understand what is happening here so enlighten me. How exactly is this type of thing good for us as gamers that you so desperately think I am giving a bad name. Would it just be better if I bent over and took it like a good little gamer?

I don't pretend to understand the processes involved in getting a game from concept to market. That's the difference between me and people like you. You want to chalk it up unequivocally to scams and nickel and diming and greed and whatever else happens to be the flavor of the month for hating entities whose sole intention is to make money. The reality is, there are budgets and timelines and plans and teams and myriad other things involved that to take the hard line stance of Company vs. Gamer is ignorant and a little embarrassing.

I don't defend DLC or microtransactions or anything else. I realize that, like it or not, the publisher decides what I get for my $60. Anything above and beyond that complete package - and it is complete - is filler. I can take it or leave it. If I think it will add to my personal enjoyment of the game, then I consume it. If not, I ignore it. A novel idea, no?

It's not the downfall of the industry and the sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.

Originally Posted by secondhand1 I don't pretend to understand the processes involved in getting a game from concept to market. That's the difference between me and people like you. You want to chalk it up unequivocally to scams and nickel and diming and greed and whatever else happens to be the flavor of the month for hating entities whose sole intention is to make money. The reality is, there are budgets and timelines and plans and teams and myriad other things involved that to take the hard line stance of Company vs. Gamer is ignorant and a little embarrassing. I don't defend DLC or microtransactions or anything else. I realize that, like it or not, the publisher decides what I get for my $60. Anything above and beyond that complete package - and it is complete - is filler. I can take it or leave it. If I think it will add to my personal enjoyment of the game, then I consume it. If not, I ignore it. A novel idea, no? It's not the downfall of the industry and the sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.

See that is the thing. Explain how add-ons make budgets? Explain how producing optional items are somehow the savior of the game? The GAME should be the product. Not skins, microtransactions and other fillers. If budgets and timelines are so tight how else are these things not just cash grabs? It is not a defense to say you do have to partake and only have to if you love the game. It is basically extorting your best fans which is a slimy practice. CoD does not do this yet the supposedly superior BF3 does with its ridiculous unlock kits.

As far as downfall of the industry just ask THQ. This stuff is getting a backlash. Ask Capcom whose sale projections are far ahead of their sales reality. They will continue to push until they break.

Originally Posted by splattered Errr just played the Crysis 3 beta on 360 today, the trailers make it look SO much better than it actually is... glad i haven't preordered this one yet :/

also played the crysis 3 beta, nothing to write home about. probably going to flop in sales.

Originally Posted by YBX87 also played the crysis 3 beta, nothing to write home about. probably going to flop in sales.

Crysis 2 only sold about 2.5 million worldwide. These are tech demos for Crytek. They make plenty on their engine. This game will sell about the same. Pre orders are in line with Dead Space 3 (less in the end) so that will be a flop also I guess.

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 See that is the thing. Explain how add-ons make budgets? Explain how producing optional items are somehow the savior of the game? The GAME should be the product. Not skins, microtransactions and other fillers. If budgets and timelines are so tight how else are these things not just cash grabs? It is not a defense to say you do have to partake and only have to if you love the game. It is basically extorting your best fans which is a slimy practice. CoD does not do this yet the supposedly superior BF3 does with its ridiculous unlock kits.

Why do you assume that addons and microtransactions aren't part of the budget? How are optional items bad? Theres a good chunk of time between a game being deemed done and the retail release. Why shouldn't they work on dlc?

You do realize game companies exist to make money, right?

Personally I didn't feel "extorted" by the existence of unlock kits in BF3. I simply didn't buy them. Same deal now with dead space. Its important to you, fair enough. Its not important to everyone.

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 See that is the thing. Explain how add-ons make budgets? Explain how producing optional items are somehow the savior of the game? The GAME should be the product. Not skins, microtransactions and other fillers. If budgets and timelines are so tight how else are these things not just cash grabs? It is not a defense to say you do have to partake and only have to if you love the game. It is basically extorting your best fans which is a slimy practice. CoD does not do this yet the supposedly superior BF3 does with its ridiculous unlock kits. As far as downfall of the industry just ask THQ. This stuff is getting a backlash. Ask Capcom whose sale projections are far ahead of their sales reality. They will continue to push until they break.

They're not add-ons, they're just shortcuts for things you can earn in the game yourself. If you want to experience what the DLC has to offer, then play the ing game.

Jesus people will whine about anything and everything.

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 See that is the thing. Explain how add-ons make budgets? Explain how producing optional items are somehow the savior of the game? The GAME should be the product. Not skins, microtransactions and other fillers. If budgets and timelines are so tight how else are these things not just cash grabs? It is not a defense to say you do have to partake and only have to if you love the game. It is basically extorting your best fans which is a slimy practice. CoD does not do this yet the supposedly superior BF3 does with its ridiculous unlock kits. As far as downfall of the industry just ask THQ. This stuff is getting a backlash. Ask Capcom whose sale projections are far ahead of their sales reality. They will continue to push until they break.

Since I've already made it abundantly clear that I don't pretend to know the process, perhaps you ought to explain exactly how pubs like EA are extorting you or otherwise being slimy in an effort to make a quick buck? Since you know, you have all the answers.

I certainly hope that if it bothers you this much, you're making your voice heard in meaningful ways rather than bitching about it on an internet message board in the hopes other ignorantly like minded dolts will take up arms against the evil game companies.

Something tells me it's the latter, though.

Originally Posted by Youngnoble Yes as long as they don't return it you don't lose the $20 cert. It will say price match on your receipt.

Do they PM other retailers within 30 days too?

Originally Posted by kylerg Do they PM other retailers within 30 days too?

Yes

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 Crysis 2 only sold about 2.5 million worldwide. These are tech demos for Crytek. They make plenty on their engine. This game will sell about the same. Pre orders are in line with Dead Space 3 (less in the end) so that will be a flop also I guess.

Isn't that a good thing for us that's buying day 1 with the $20 RZ bonus. Poor sales would mean the game would go on sale sooner than later for a PM opportunity. To me reviews/demos doesn't matter, there are a lot of good games that receive bad reviews.

Originally Posted by secondhand1 I certainly hope that if it bothers you this much, you're making your voice heard in meaningful ways rather than bitching about it on an internet message board in the hopes other ignorantly like minded dolts will take up arms against the evil game companies. Something tells me it's the latter, though.

You can call me "ignorant" all you want. Gaming has never had more users than it does now. Instead of focusing on providing a full rich gaming experience followed by meaty updates and expansions some publishers would rather try to just monetize the gamer. I made my voice heard on this thread because there are people who will BUY video games like Dead Space 3'. I am not sure what kind of "meaningful" action you would like me to take. People on this thread are considering buying this game and I was providing some information and an opinion. What I got from some in return were personal insults instead of actual reasons on why this is an ok way to do business. You can argue all day that we do not need to partake in this type of DLC/Microtransactions but I would ask you to ask yourself why these types of things are needed in $60 games. Many people bristled at the $10 online pass until it became commonplace, then it was on disk/Day 1 DLC, and now it is microtransactions. This is NOT the avenue I want games to go. This is not the way to build a fan base by nickle and diming them when they already laid down $60 for your game.

We can argue about this all day but just an FYI, personal insults don't sway opinions.

Originally Posted by jr1016 Isn't that a good thing for us that's buying day 1 with the $20 RZ bonus. Poor sales would mean the game would go on sale sooner than later for a PM opportunity. To me reviews/demos doesn't matter, there are a lot of good games that receive bad reviews.

Yeah I would think this gets a price drop with the crowded spring. Crysis 2 dropped to $50 the first month at BBY and it looks like to $40 in the first 60 days. I would definitely think we should get the $20 and a PM for it.

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