Originally Posted by johnnypark Now that I've finished TNG and DS9, I'm trying to decide between Voyager or Enterprise. I know some really hate ENT but I also hear it has a lot of throwback references to explain things in later series. Speaking of which, I haven't seen all of TOS if that matters. Will I get more out of ENT if I watch Voyager first? I love Quantum Leap and so I'm really interested to see Bakula in the role, even if the show is subpar. And yeah... I already know about the god-awful introduction. I bet that killed half their potential audience alone!

Yeah, I'd say that you'd enjoy Enterprise more than Voyager, but that's once you get through the first couple seasons. Bakula actually kinda sucks in Enterprise because he can't help but exude being a nice guy.

Personally, I thought Enterprise was great and really found it's stride right before they cancelled it. Call me crazy, but I liked the theme song too. Voyager was so shitty that the finale was just an hour long.

While I can't in good conscience recommend that you watch Voyager under any circumstances and agree that Enterprise is the way to go....

...if you're set on watching both of them, you probably should watch Voyager first.

The only thing worse than watching the Voyager finale is if that's the last Star Trek you watch. You can wash that bad taste out of your mouth with Enterprise and end with a show that was improving.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/256...or-controversy

I seriously doubt we are going to get a reissue ...but this shit has to stop!


how can this get passed quality control?!?!?!?!

Damn, that's a pretty big oversight. Can't believe that wasn't caught.

In honor of johnnypark's question, I decided to watch the third and fourth seasons of Enterprise. When the show aired, I watched the first ten episodes as a trial, then decided not to watch the series because it looked like all the worst habits of Voyager. It's been on my to-do list for awhile. And hell, I suffered through most of Voyager over the past few years.

I just finished the third season and am pretty impressed. They did something I've never seen on Star Trek before, which was to create a consistent, arc-based story that progressed through the entire season. While it can't compete with the depth DS9 accomplished over five seasons, it did do some things I've never even seen on DS9, and the attention to continuity and character is incredible.

When it's good, it's really good. Unfortunately, when it's bad, it's still warmed-over Voyager (which is itself warmed-over). There are episodes that are complete wastes of time, and others that are uneven or whose pacing could be improved. Characters are also a mixed bag, and Sato, Mayweather, and Reed are as undeveloped and wallpaper as ever. There were a couple of true surprises in there, though, which were a genuine delight. I'd place one of the third season episodes in any Trek top ten list.

I'm trying to be a little vague, because if (like me) you hadn't seen it, it's worth watching. Even though there are dogs (sorry Porthos), the payoff is worth it, and if the show had been like this from the start, I never would have quit watching it. It's a shame that it took the show so long to figure itself out, resorting to actual quality as a last resort. That I was able to skip almost 40 episodes and not notice anything missing says a lot about how much potential went to waste as the show aimlessly went where every Trek show had been before.

I'm catching up on a handful of highly rated Season 2 episodes, then on to Season 4.

See this is where CG needs to come in and be used to replace that shot. There is absolutely NO excuse why that shot was over looked like that. I think one of the enterprise/star base effects from Measure of a man has this weird warping effect as the enterprise moves from left to right of frame. I noticed this during the theatrical screening a few months ago. I was like huh?

The only shot I see them having issues with because of the complexity is when the Enterprise blows up multiple times in Cause and Effect. They did a bang up job when that came out and I am hoping they will add more boom to it.

Originally Posted by blandstalker In honor of johnnypark's question, I decided to watch the third and fourth seasons of Enterprise. When the show aired, I watched the first ten episodes as a trial, then decided not to watch the series because it looked like all the worst habits of Voyager. It's been on my to-do list for awhile. And hell, I suffered through most of Voyager over the past few years. I just finished the third season and am pretty impressed. They did something I've never seen on Star Trek before, which was to create a consistent, arc-based story that progressed through the entire season. While it can't compete with the depth DS9 accomplished over five seasons, it did do some things I've never even seen on DS9, and the attention to continuity and character is incredible. When it's good, it's really good. Unfortunately, when it's bad, it's still warmed-over Voyager (which is itself warmed-over). There are episodes that are complete wastes of time, and others that are uneven or whose pacing could be improved. Characters are also a mixed bag, and Sato, Mayweather, and Reed are as undeveloped and wallpaper as ever. There were a couple of true surprises in there, though, which were a genuine delight. I'd place one of the third season episodes in any Trek top ten list. I'm trying to be a little vague, because if (like me) you hadn't seen it, it's worth watching. Even though there are dogs (sorry Porthos), the payoff is worth it, and if the show had been like this from the start, I never would have quit watching it. It's a shame that it took the show so long to figure itself out, resorting to actual quality as a last resort. That I was able to skip almost 40 episodes and not notice anything missing says a lot about how much potential went to waste as the show aimlessly went where every Trek show had been before. I'm catching up on a handful of highly rated Season 2 episodes, then on to Season 4.

I watched the pilot while I was off work for winter break and was surprised how good it was - Trek pilots are notoriously bad. DS9's wasn't terrible but it was a slow start IMO.

Based on your comments I'll probably stick with it, especially since it's only 4 seasons.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2013/01/...n-BluRay.shtml


What the hell happened to the other concept covers they asked the fans to vote on?

that was not one of the voted covers, my guess is it is a UK future cover

Didn't see this posted, thought it was pretty cool. A terminally ill Star Trek fan got to see Into Darkness early:

"There is nothing left to do but make him comfortable, at 41, he [has] jaundice & his liver is enlarged, his body has had enough, he has weeks to live," ideeeyut, quoting Dan's wife, wrote in his post. "[W]e, his friends and family…WOULD LOVE him to be able to see the Star Trek movie," the post continued. The film is not due to appear in theaters till May 2013. Undaunted, several members of the Reddit community soon stepped up to lend a hand. As Mashable notes, some redditors attempted to contact Paramount Pictures, while others reached out to friends and family members who had contacts in the film and TV industries. Eventually, Dan's story was picked up by national news agencies and soon, his plea reached the ears of J.J. Abrams himself. According to updates to the original Reddit post, Abrams, who directed both the 2009 film "Star Trek" and the upcoming Star Trek sequel, personally called Dan and his wife and offered them the opportunity of a lifetime. Two days ago, Dan's wife, through ideeeyut, posted an update, saying that her husband had indeed been able to see the film: Hi everyone, it's Daniel's wife, we are of course sworn to secrecy, BUT we are officially allowed to say we saw it and we enjoyed it IMMENSELY as a film and as a gesture... It is also so wonderful for his friends & his family to finally hear some good news from us, they know how important film is to Daniel & could not think of a better way to please him. So this gesture really has brought a lot of smiles all around. After reading the good news, many Redditors were effusive with praise for both Abrams and the Reddit community. "It's moments like this which remind me why I love this subreddit," wrote user "Deceptitron". "J.J. Abrams earned a few points in my book doing this. I was somewhat shocked he would do this considering how secretive he can be with his work."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2397746.html

Originally Posted by johnnypark Didn't see this posted, thought it was pretty cool. A terminally ill Star Trek fan got to see Into Darkness early: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2397746.html

yeah....then he died a short time after and his last words were "I am going to the future..."

Sorry, but those aren't the last words of a true trekker.

Originally Posted by ITDEFX yeah....then he died a short time after and his last words were "I am going to the future..." Sorry, but those aren't the last words of a true trekker.

Wow, that's a little harsh to say.

Originally Posted by shrike4242 Wow, that's a little harsh to say.

I wasn't trying to be harsh. Yeah it sucks he died. He did get his final wish. That's cool and all.......but a real trekker would have said either "Live long and prosper or Today IS a GOOD DAY TO DIE!!"... not, "I am going to the future..."

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Originally Posted by ITDEFX yeah....then he died a short time after and his last words were "I am going to the future..." Sorry, but those aren't the last words of a true trekker.

Not sure what you're trying to say. This is either a poor attempt at humor or just some insensitive crap.

EDIT: just saw your reply.

Originally Posted by johnnypark Not sure what you're trying to say. This is either a poor attempt at humor or just some insensitive crap.

What I am trying to say is that if you have last words..it should be meaningful ..something to remember.. He was a trekker...so why not go out in style?

^^^^ seems legit

so here's a good one...my ex girlfriend, who is a huge Trekkie (I watched TOS and TNG pretty intently and most of DS9, missed the boat on Voyager and Enterprise) invited me to an upcoming Star Trek convention in Boston with her...just us in a hotel for the weekend...

http://www.creationent.com/cal/stma.htm

Originally Posted by GamerDude316 so here's a good one...my ex girlfriend, who is a huge Trekkie (I watched TOS and TNG pretty intently and most of DS9, missed the boat on Voyager and Enterprise) invited me to an upcoming Star Trek convention in Boston with her...just us in a hotel for the weekend... http://www.creationent.com/cal/stma.htm

uh oh........ someone is getting some Oo-mox from the ex!

Has Walter Koeing been sick or something? I was just looking at a recent picture, and the guy doesn't look so good. He looks older than Shatner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Koenig

In the bottom picture from 2007 he looks pretty healthy, then at the top he looks way older and tired.

In the pictures here he's basically bald. Was he wearing a hair piece before?

You know it makes me wonder how these fan films can afford to pay these actors to play their former characters. Glad Paramount over the years have been easy on fan films because I do believe at one point they were going after anyone doing a fan film without permission.