Originally Posted by Deader2818 I like how people some how think you "grow" out of Nintendo and into PS3/Xbox. They are ing video games, lol. You enjoy them or you don't.

Originally Posted by SaraAB If you have ever been around kids this does happen. They stop playing Nintendo and want to move onto bigger and more popular, and more violent games. It is possible to grow out of certain kinds of video games, however you can't really grow out of video games as a whole (that would be like growing out of movies).

As much as I wish it were like that Deader, I've experienced what Sara is saying in my own household. I've watched my oldest son (who will be 13 in a week) grow up on the Gamecube and Wii and now become a diehard, hardcore 360 fanboy. He won't touch the Wii, Wii U, or even PS3. I did rope him into a little NintendoLand when we first got it and he seemed to enjoy that a little - perhaps it triggered a little nostalgia from his earlier days playing Pikmin and Animal Crossing (Strell may remember him yelling over the Wii Speak during a few sessions of AC City Folk). But he soon got over that and hasn't wanted to play it since.

My 10 year-old is in that transition period now. He still likes playing games like Rayman and NSMB. But he plays more often on the PS3. There he is playing NBA 2K13, NBA Jam, and games like LBP and LBP Karting. So he's a "tweener" with the game types. In sort of a reaction against his big brother, though, I think he has no interest in shooters (Halo and the like). He likes watching me play games like No No Kuni and Xenoblade Chronicles. So I'm hoping that while I screwed up with the older one, this one will have some better tastes (not that there's anything wrong with Halo, but it is pretty much all the older one plays and I'm trying to get the younger one to like all the systems and a more diverse selection of games).

The funny thing is that I can't get any of my kids interested in handhelds of any type. I got my 10 year-old a 3DS for a road trip a year and a half ago and other than that, he hasn't really touched it. Yet I see kids all over playing DS/3DS systems. So that is just an anomoly with my kids I think.

Originally Posted by Corvin That's the point that's getting missed. In between all those press releases announcing how many billions of dollars were rolling in(there's a reason the "it prints money" meme exists) they could have hired new teams, started up new development houses not just shifting people around. It is absolutely a matter of them sitting on their asses. They had the time, they had the resources but didn't use either very effectively. Then again this has been my complaint with Nintendo for a few generations. They never put in 100% on the console. Something is always gimped or shortsighted in some way.

So now you're saying that they don't have to move all of their current teams to Wii U a long time ago, but that they should've hired a bunch of new teams to do nothing but Wii U development? It seems like you're changing the goal posts and suggesting things that only a company with an infinite amount of money and resources could pull off.

did anyone play the cave demo? i got bored and the jokes were lame

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki So now you're saying that they don't have to move all of their current teams to Wii U a long time ago, but that they should've hired a bunch of new teams to do nothing but Wii U development? It seems like you're changing the goal posts and suggesting things that only a company with an infinite amount of money and resources could pull off.

I'm simply saying they could have done far more than they did.

Originally Posted by io As much as I wish it were like that Deader, I've experienced what Sara is saying in my own household. I've watched my oldest son (who will be 13 in a week) grow up on the Gamecube and Wii and now become a diehard, hardcore 360 fanboy. He won't touch the Wii, Wii U, or even PS3. I did rope him into a little NintendoLand when we first got it and he seemed to enjoy that a little - perhaps it triggered a little nostalgia from his earlier days playing Pikmin and Animal Crossing (Strell may remember him yelling over the Wii Speak during a few sessions of AC City Folk). But he soon got over that and hasn't wanted to play it since. My 10 year-old is in that transition period now. He still likes playing games like Rayman and NSMB. But he plays more often on the PS3. There he is playing NBA 2K13, NBA Jam, and games like LBP and LBP Karting. So he's a "tweener" with the game types. In sort of a reaction against his big brother, though, I think he has no interest in shooters (Halo and the like). He likes watching me play games like No No Kuni and Xenoblade Chronicles. So I'm hoping that while I screwed up with the older one, this one will have some better tastes (not that there's anything wrong with Halo, but it is pretty much all the older one plays and I'm trying to get the younger one to like all the systems and a more diverse selection of games). The funny thing is that I can't get any of my kids interested in handhelds of any type. I got my 10 year-old a 3DS for a road trip a year and a half ago and other than that, he hasn't really touched it. Yet I see kids all over playing DS/3DS systems. So that is just an anomoly with my kids I think.

My family is all apple but my one cousin is a diehard Nintendo fan at 12 which is really an anomaly for my area. He doesn't have HDTV or anything like that in his house so he is pretty much stuck with the Wii or older consoles. He has actually lost friends since he doesn't play CoD but I don't think that was a very good friend anyways. I think Nintendo is more popular with the 20+ in my area or little kids but there is no inbetween. I have gone to Pokemon events in my area and seen every age group imaginable but the events are wifi now so no events in store so the last event was a while ago. I think your kids will play the 3DS once more games come out, right now the game lineup isn't too good but the next few months are gonna bring some real heavy hitters. Be sure to introduce your kids to the upcoming games. If not hey you get the system all to yourself!

Tell me if I've got this wrong: the option to pay a fee to upgrade a Wii VC game to a Wii U version playable on the Gamepad only applies to games that are officially released on the Wii U Virtual Console. For example, it wouldn't be possible to upgrade Mega Man if it had not been released in the eShop yet.

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Sort of. It's not REALLY an upgrade fee though. You can still play the original version in Wii mode, with the original save data and save state data. You're paying for a new version of the same game, with additional features (Miiverse, customizable controls, real save states, Gamepad play support) at a discount, as long as you've transferred your data over from Wii, because it basically syncs it to your NNA.

Is there a way to turn the system on and navigate netflix/amazon video without the wii-pad? I want to start using the wii-u in my bedroom instead of my PS3, but I don't want to always have the wii-pad floating around the room because my wife will almost certainly break it.

Whenever you turn the system on, the Gamepad turns on, regardless of what controller you use (you can use the Wii Remote or Pro Controller to navigate non-Miiverse/non-eshop menus).

EDIT:
Just tested, you can't use the Wii Remote for Netflix.

^I was thinking more along the lines of the pro-controller, but i didn't have one to test.

The Pro Controller doesn't work. Why I don't know. Same goes for the Wii Remote.

Should it be this bloody hard to figure out how to play games on a system?

Also, get off my lawn.

The compartmentalization is ridiculous. It's actually worse than Microsoft's insistence that no one else can make wireless controllers.

Dang.

The netflix app is fine but it's in sore need of an update. Remote support would be nice, as well as an option dual audio on the pad and turning off the damned episode descriptions everywhere. I don't want to see spoilers for everything.

I caved and bought a Wii U Deluxe during the Costco $50 off sale.

Should arrive some time next week according to the tracking info. I also decided to pick up a Wii U Pro Controller from GoHastings (used, $30) in preparation for Monster Hunter next month .

Will eventually pick up NSMBU, and Pikmin 3 when it comes out in a few months.

Those games along with my Wii backlog should hold me over till Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros (hopefully) later this year/early next year.

I just got Nintendoland brand new and sealed off ebay for $25 shipped, beats Nintendo wanting to charge me $60 plus tax to download it off the E-Shop. All I use the WiiU for web browsing/Mii-verse forum's,(drawing and responses) media streaming via playon to watch my HD rip's of movies and season's of the Big Bang Theory. I still have yet to beat Ass Creed 3 on it because the control's are cumbersome and annoying on the tablet. To me the WiiU is a overpriced streaming media appliance.

Should prob return it then.

If you wanted a media player,not sure why you would get a console.

yeah get a roku or popcorn hour or something
all consoles are terrible media players

I'm way past the return date by two months and rather than have the WiiU collect dust like my Wii I took advantage of the playon deal. It comes in handy if I want to check my email or the forums instead of having to take out my laptop. I know consoles suck at being a dedicate media player I might as well take adavantage at using the touch screen and using the console than just staring at it next to the ps3 I only really used for 3D Dot Game Heros' and lil bit Of Heavy Rain that almost made me fall asleep and that was months ago.