Originally Posted by Donut2922 Yeah i'm very concerned about this potentially ruining the Gears series for fans before the next gen iteration comes out. Is TDM not going to have DBNO and active reloads?

Nope, none of that. From what i read its not even going to have survival like 1 left vs a team of 5. Its just going to count up and everyone respawns until a certain score is hit. No more clutch moments for anyone.

Originally Posted by The 7th Number Nope, none of that. From what i read its not even going to have survival like 1 left vs a team of 5. Its just going to count up and everyone respawns until a certain score is hit. No more clutch moments for anyone.

If thats true then this game is going to turn bad.

I'll have to hold off on trading in my Gears 3 copy then.

Originally Posted by The 7th Number I will still buy the game, because i love gears, and i want to play the campaign, but it really saddens me what they have done to the MP modes. No DBNO, No Locust, No Horde, No Executions, No Guardian, Execution, Warzone, No Active Reloads. I even read they changed TDM to count up instead of down. Its like they are trying to make this Halo of Duty 3rd person MP. Its really funny too because they talked about how going back to the pendulum wars would be boring because it would be human vs human and the locust would not exist. Then they go and take the locust out of MP. I really dont know what they are thinking over at epic. Bunch of fans cry that they want them to go back to Gears 1 and 2 and they just move further away from what made this game great.

sounded like a lot of internal 'creative differences.' sad, cause everyone loses.

Gears of War franchise, nerf'ed. RIP 2006 - 2013.

AOL says 'good-bye.'

yeah, I'll still buy it on clearance ($15~$20 range), just to play campaign for the canon storyline.

When this was announced my initial impression was it's something that was only coming out so they had a big name exclusive release for 2013 that wouldn't take away from the next console hype (hence the Spring release instead of holiday release). Had a bad feeling that it was going to seem pretty weak compared to the main Gears titles.

Kind of hate that it looks like I may be right. Hope the campaign is incredible, since it looks like they kind of ed the MP. Not holding my breath.

This game sounds so bad. No wonder everyone jumped ship

Yeah..... shit.

I don't think the game is going to be terrible. I'll still pick it up for the campaign in the $20-$25 range. I expect it to be decent, just not Gears of war 3 quality.

Originally Posted by bhk I don't think the game is going to be terrible. I'll still pick it up for the campaign in the $20-$25 range. I expect it to be decent, just not Gears of war 3 quality.

Same here. I'll probably wait until I can get it cheap. It's crazy because I like Gears a lot. I have all three games but I barely have any interest in Judgement at all. Also, if I recall, there isn't going to be any horde mode? I like Gears for the SP and Horde Mode...so if that's the case then i'll for sure wait until it's cheap. I very rarely play any of the other modes.

Originally Posted by shotgunshine Same here. I have all three games but I barely have any interest in Judgement at all.

Well, franchise burnout does happen. This is the 4th game in 6.5 years I think. We're at the end of a console life cycle, etc. I think other franchises are getting there as well (Halo, Assassins Creed, Call of Duty) where they're releasing too many games too close together and it just ends up hurting things (see: Guitar Hero)

It really is surprising that they were never able to make a game as good as the first one. Epic has been on the decline ever since the first Gears came out. They killed UT and now it looks like Gears is going to die as well.

Also, there is no way I am getting burned by an Epic game again. They aren't getting me to pay full retail for one of their games until they prove they are going to put out quality shit. The ratio of good vs. shit I have paid full price from them is sitting at 33% (Gears and UT2K4 v. GoW 2 and 3, UT3, and Unreal Championship).

Originally Posted by shotgunshine Also, if I recall, there isn't going to be any horde mode?

There's Survival Mode, which may or may not be like Horde. They're just not telling the fans what it is. It's just over a month away, has apparently gone gold, and they still have not officially announced that Horde is gone.

And there's no word yet if those pre-order skins will work in modes other than versus. It'd be lame if they don't carry over to Survival, and just allow you just pick your class regardless of character.

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback It really is surprising that they were never able to make a game as good as the first one. Epic has been on the decline ever since the first Gears came out. Also, there is no way I am getting burned by an Epic game again. They aren't getting me to pay full retail for one of their games until they prove they are going to put out quality shit.

People on their site are asking if there will be a Season Pass again, as if they'd like to pay for more content. After what happened with the last Season Pass, I'm surprised people are in such a rush to hand over more money.

okay, I'm waiting nervously on the horde announcement. If they get rid of regular horde, I'll be pissed. Gears defined the genre and to abandon the excellence that was horde in Gears 3 would be crazy.

I love the idea of Overrun. But as another option. Not as a replacement!

Originally Posted by The Ebbtide People on their site are asking if there will be a Season Pass again, as if they'd like to pay for more content. After what happened with the last Season Pass, I'm surprised people are in such a rush to hand over more money.

what happened with the last season pass?

Originally Posted by AlphaQSilly what happened with the last season pass?

Gears of War 3's season pass contained about the same amount of content as Gears of War 2's All Fronts Collection.

Season pass was $30, if I remembered correctly. And All Fronts was $20?

That was just it, there was 'nothing' revolutionary or special about the season pass, maybe except it cost more $$. Consumers are smart, ya'know!

Burnt customers remember their scars better, too.

I thought the season pass was fine. I didnt like the horde update, or a shitty remakes of maps like escalation and bulletmarsh. But most of the new maps were pretty good. The RAAM Campaign was cool too.

Also i thought Gears 2 was the best in the series. Campaign was fun, so much that i replayed it the minute i beat it, which doesnt happen that often with me. Also i loved Gears 2 MP. To me its the best in the series. Well its the MP i had the most fun with in the series. Ill take Gears 2 MP and Horde over Gears 3.

Epic dumping MD studio

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Originally Posted by WV Matsui Epic dumping MD studio

Weird, from the way Epic talked so much about Infinity Blade it seemed like it was a successful franchise.

Originally Posted by Mospeada_21 Gears of War 3's season pass contained about the same amount of content as Gears of War 2's All Fronts Collection. Season pass was $30, if I remembered correctly. And All Fronts was $20? That was just it, there was 'nothing' revolutionary or special about the season pass, maybe except it cost more $$. Consumers are smart, ya'know! Burnt customers remember their scars better, too.

It's not just that, but other issues with it. The Horde Command Pack was definitely supposed to come with new copies of the game, like the Flashback Maps did with Gears of War 2. Clearly they realized that 3 DLCs in a Season Pass was much harder to sell than 4 DLCs, so they pulled it. Also, Horde Command Pack is already on the disc, but they justified it by claiming it was so that the weapon and character skins were able to be seen by all players, even though the character skins were mostly already in the Campaign, and so they should have been available to everyone to begin with.

Also, the Horde Command Pack withheld some content from Horde, so it was incomplete, and reset peoples Silverback progress when it was released.

Lamest of all with that pack, was that it came with extra maps. After a few weeks, these maps were added into the rotation online, since they were already on disc, meaning that people who didn't buy the DLC could play them still in matchmaking, further insulting those who bought it.

I have no complaints about Raam's Shadow, except for that it was a better Campaign than Gears of War 3, which is sad for an expansion to be better and fit more with the theme of a game series than an actual title for it.

Fenix Rising was sort of bland, and I'm surprised they brought back Escalation, as it was an uneven map.

Forces of Nature was okay, but the big deal with it was that it included a slightly altered Guardian. That was literally the hype of that map pack, which was stupid to begin with. They removed one of the most popular playlists from Gears of War 2 (like Horde in Gears of War Judgment), with no real justification. Their excuse was that "people will love Capture the Leader," which they didn't, and the drop in that playlist was steep from release.

People on their forums demanded Guardian back, and Epic claimed it was literally impossible to bring back. The number of people playing multiplayer was greatly declining, since they worked to butcher their game, and added a bandaid with a quick mod to capture the leader, making it play slightly like Guardian.

(Expect to see this with Judgment if the multiplayer number steeply decline from release.)

The bigger fiasco was the 1 day sale on the Season Pass around Christmas. The last two DLC packs hadn't even released yet, and Raam's Shadow had just come out. The Season Pass was advertised as the best discount on all of the DLC content yet to release, yet that was not true. A Season Pass is a preorder on content, and to have a sale on it when it's not even completely released yet is an insult to your fans. Everyone who had purchased it prior to that day should have at least received the last two packs on sale, since they paid for the initial 2 packs.

Other issues were that game boldly stated dedicated servers on the back of the game case, with no asterisk behind it mentioning the need for all content. But if you wanted the chance to play on potentially smooth playlists (there was no guarantee of a dedicated server when you joined a match), you needed all the DLC by at least the 3rd DLC release.

And, after the release of the last DLC, they pretty much abandoned support of the game. Aside from putting everyone at 29/30 events played for War Supporter because of their own laziness, it's been lackluster with any real interest from Epic.

They have increased the XP recently, though, to encourage returns to the game to hype Judgment.

(Another issue with the game was the useless Event Calendar that only told you to "Buy More SHIT!" It never actually told you about actual events, which would have helped the community with War Supporter.)

It just had a lot of potential, but was fairly disappointing. If they hadn't have hyped it so much, it wouldn't have been so bad. But it just wasn't as grand as they made it seem. If they hadn't have had the Season Pass, I wouldn't have minded them having as sale on content after it was released. It's the idea that only a few months after the Season Pass comes out that they have a sale on it, that it becomes a true insult to the people who actually play your game.

Originally Posted by The 7th Number I didnt like the horde update

I really wish they had a Classic Mode, that also had Join-in-Progress. I'd rather have less characters, and weapon skins (that actually meant something, rather than were just additional purchases), to allow for me to Join-in-Progress with my character skin. And the 'Tower Defense' of Horde just didn't work. Either somebody would buy a Silverback, hogging kills (intentionally or unintentionally), causing people to quit due to little to no kills, no money made, and little progress in rank or defense levels, or people would hold their money, barely using it, so that you'd be overrun with no defenses. And teh Silverback guy would beg you for money to repair their Silverback at higher levels.

Horde in Gears of War 2 just felt 'better.' Hold a spot, defend it with shields and firepower, and survive. This whole, spend money, invest in bases, rebuy when you die felt...odd. I did like the boss waves, though. Just a neat way to make Wave 10 more intense.

If anyone did play the weekend(s) they had Classic Horde, the new setup didn't work with Classic Horde mode. Shields disappeared literally at the end of a wave because there was no longer the pause between waves. Enemies climbed over cover and knocked down shields, so it was much harder to hold them back. They would have needed to have two completely different setups for a Classic Horde to work.

I just feel like the more the edit and alter, the more I don't like it. Adding new modes, like Beast Mode, is fine, but keep things the way they were.

Originally Posted by The 7th Number Also i thought Gears 2 was the best in the series. Campaign was fun, so much that i replayed it the minute i beat it, which doesnt happen that often with me. Also i loved Gears 2 MP. To me its the best in the series. Well its the MP i had the most fun with in the series. Ill take Gears 2 MP and Horde over Gears 3.

Loved Gears 2. but no way would I take it over Gears 3. 3 is just so polished. And horde is just so perfect on so many levels with a lot more complexity and options. 2's horde feels limiting in comparison.

Originally Posted by dirtyvu Loved Gears 2. but no way would I take it over Gears 3. 3 is just so polished. And horde is just so perfect on so many levels with a lot more complexity and options. 2's horde feels limiting in comparison.

I agree gears 3 is more polished, and even just the movements are so smooth compared to gears 2. But they changed so much from Gears 2 to Gears 3. I prefer the weapons, damage, and how they work more in Gears 2 than 3. I think i like Gears 2 horde better because there is no upgrading after each wave. I think it makes you feel more vulnerable with no fortifications, but does lack bosses.