Originally Posted by Deader2818 Ok, so until it reaches that 100 price drop you want, could you just kindly shut the up? This just just getting old and boring now from you. Hell what you posted even says its unlikely there will be a price drop, lol. 720 and ps4 is going to have struggles as well since the market is totally different compared to 7 years ago. Once Mario Kart, Zelda HD, Mario 3D and Smash Bros comes up, the system is going to pick up a lot of steam.

I disagree with their assertion that there won't be a price drop. And no, I will keep posting here because when posting anywhere else people are told to post about Nintendo's terrible sales numbers here. You don't like it? Don't look at the thread or ignore me. I honestly couldn't give two shots what you think. What I think is that this Nintendo co sole will drop $100 by years end and until that point it will continue to see sales decline.

You have made your point clear though. You personally just want to buy the console for 249.99.

Its not like you posting every chance you get on every article you find on the Internet is going to make that price point happen faster.

System needs games. Once games come out (holiday time) system will see sharp sales move up at 349.99.

Originally Posted by Deader2818 You have made your point clear though. You personally just want to buy the console for 249.99. Its not like you posting every chance you get on every article you find on the Internet is going to make that price point happen faster. System needs games. Once games come out (holiday time) system will see sharp sales move up at 349.99.

People were claiming that it was selling well during the holiday season. I haven't seen hundreds of people come around and say they were wrong so I can only assume they still believe they were right.

If they don't do a price drop this holiday season, the Wii U will effectively be a failure. This is their chance, they have a lead on the other two. If they come in at virtually the same price as the new more powerful consoles then they might as well throw in the towel. Unlike the 3DS which had no competition (I don't consider the Vita a competitor), the Wii U is in a pretty crowded console market. It's rare for 3 consoles to survive simultaneously. This is why I think we'll see a $100 price drop.

People keep telling me that it's not going to happen so why shouldn't I post links about the dismal sales? Feel free to come here and post links about the great sales and provide data that a price drop is not needed.

Most smart people know the weak sales are due to no new games since launch. Come back after games actually come out and see if sales pick up.

If all these games come out and the system STILL can't sale,then its time to cut the price.

Originally Posted by Deader2818 Most smart people know the weak sales are due to no new games since launch. Come back after games actually come out and see if sales pick up. If all these games come out and the system STILL can't sale,then its time to cut the price.

Okay then as a self described smart person, tell me which games you're describing. You're using the generic term "games" meaning that every time a game launches and we don't see a huge pop in sales, you'll come back and "that's not THE GAMES I was talking about".

So all I'm asking, what are the games? That way after they launch we can come back here and evaluate performance. I'm betting it doesn't matter what games launch for the Wii U, without a price drop sales may have a small bump the month the game comes out (not a huge increase in console sales) but after that the game will be largely irrelevant to sales and those sales will still be really bad (even the launch month).

Gee, i dunno, try reading up since I already listed some games.

" Once Mario Kart, Zelda HD, Mario 3D and Smash Bros comes up, the system is going to pick up a lot of steam."

Okay I guess these are "the games". When are any of these even coming out? How can you make a prediction that the console will be a huge hit once these games come out if those games AREN'T coming out?

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Looking at IGN, it seems you're basically saying that the console won't be a success this entire year since none of those games are slated for release this year. Unless they announce some games at E3 that will launch this holiday, you're essentially agreeing with me that the console will be a failure this year.
http://www.ign.com/games/upcoming/wii-u
All I see is the Wind Waker remake and I'm sure you'll agree with me that isn't the Zelda you mean.


And for the record, even if some or all of those games launch this holiday season, it won't help sales without a price drop. Without a price drop, the PS3 and 360 and going to suck all the oxygen out of the room and the Wii U is going to suffocate. Unless both of the new consoles have severe shortages, the Wii U is going to do poorly. Supply exceeded demand this holiday season and that was the launch.

You will likely see a small increase in sales when Monster Hunter, Pikmin and Bayonetta 2 come out. Mario Kart and 3D Mario will be playable at E3 so there is a strong chance it will be out by holidays.

I didn't see a huge hit either. I don't think any of the 3 consoles are going to sale as well as this last gen since gaming is very different now.

Originally Posted by Deader2818 You will likely see a small increase in sales when Monster Hunter, Pikmin and Bayonetta 2 come out. Mario Kart and 3D Mario will be playable at E3 so there is a strong chance it will be out by holidays. I didn't see a huge hit either. I don't think any of the 3 consoles are going to sale as well as this last gen since gaming is very different now.

Assuming that the 720 and PS4 both have price tags at 399.99 or less, I expect them to have substantial sales numbers and most likely both selling out the entire holiday season unless they supply some absurd number of consoles. It's a mistake to look at Wii U sales and think that has much relation to the other two. The tablet controller gimmick just isn't taking off like they hoped it would. I never really considered the Wii's controller to be a gimmick or fad but I definitely think that the Wii U is a gimmick.

They lost the casual market by going from a simple controller that grandma can use and creating a full fledged controller that's big and has a screen so there's even more stuff to do with it. The casuals are gone from Nintendo this generation and won't be back. That leaves core gamers which see a console priced too high, a gimmick controller, no games (I'll give you that one), new console launches upcoming, a probable price drop this year, a horrendous account system where ownership is locked onto the console rather than a player's account, terrible support for the Wii for the last few years (this is a wait and watch type of problem), and lastly all the ports that the console is getting are for stuff everyone played already!

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This is why I don't think a few games will solve their sales problem. They're going to either price drop (I think they will) or solve a bunch of the problems listed (they have no intention of solving any of them other than launch games over time).

Unless the PS4 or 720 have some kinda drastic upgrade, there will be a lot of people that won't buy right away unless there is some killer games at launch that only can be had on PS4/720.

A lot of people just don't see the need or feel the need get a new console when their current one is just fine for them and have massive library of games to still play.

The 360 did well but they stopped support for the Xbox quickly. You couldn't even find the old Xbox since its supply was cut and what was left was what stores had. The PS2 outsold the PS3 for a long amount of time and PS3 didn't get going till a year later with uncharted.

Xbox/PS has a "casual" market just like the Wii. For as much shovel ware as the Wii had, the PS3 and 360 had a great share of it as well. People bought 360/ps3 to just use as their netflix, hulu machines etc with some games here and there. if they can still do that with the Ps4/720 out, that market wont rush out and get a new system just to have it.

I think a $50 price drop or having just one SKU at $300 with NintendoLand (but maybe not the other Deluxe extras) is a pretty good possibility for next Fall. I would say it all depends on what Sony and MS do at E3 so we just have to wait and see. Or they could just continue with the oddball sales that have been happening recently (eg, Costco and Target) and see if that spikes some sales. Those sales might be trial balloons for a price drop or more sales in the future.

Originally Posted by Deader2818 Ok, so until it reaches that 100 price drop you want, could you just kindly shut the up? This just just getting old and boring now from you. Hell what you posted even says its unlikely there will be a price drop, lol. 720 and ps4 is going to have struggles as well since the market is totally different compared to 7 years ago. Once Mario Kart, Zelda HD, Mario 3D and Smash Bros comes up, the system is going to pick up a lot of steam.

I posted the article because of the sales figures not because I agree with everything it says. I believe there will be a price drop.

You're wrong, the other two consoles will sell well. When the launches happen, you'll see (unless they're priced above 399.99). The economy is bad but it's not nearly as bad as it was a few years ago. That's not the reason the Wii U didn't sell well. Way more than 4-5 million people in this country are employed.

Originally Posted by io I think a $50 price drop or having just one SKU at $300 with NintendoLand (but maybe not the other Deluxe extras) is a pretty good possibility for next Fall. I would say it all depends on what Sony and MS do at E3 so we just have to wait and see.

If there isn't a 100 price drop (I think there will be) there will DEFINITELY be a 50.

I think people are SEVERELY underestimating how popular MS's subsidy program is/will be. That's the catalyst for the $100 price drop (instead of just 50).

I said nothing about the economy.

PS4/720 seem to be very anti-consumer devices if you've been paying attention. No backwards compatibility, no used games, online always on required to play games, Kinect required for the system operating (and packed in every box), etc. It's these type of things that will make consumers go 'no' because it makes the setup process harder and takes away control of their products. 'Always Online' is worse than no used games IMO, since online connections nowadays are very unstable.

Not to mention that the possibility of a PSN-style hack is out there, meaning if that happens, those games are completely useless under such scenarios. Why would anyone of rational judgment support such nonsense? These are big deals to people and you can't just say 'oh, it's not going to matter' because it will. It hurts the industry to be blatantly anti-consumer like this since it will drive people away from gaming just as quickly as Nintendo and Apple brought them in.

Originally Posted by KingBroly PS4/720 seem to be very anti-consumer devices if you've been paying attention. No backwards compatibility, no used games, online always on required to play games, Kinect required for the system operating (and packed in every box), etc. It's these type of things that will make consumers go 'no' because it makes the setup process harder and takes away control of their products. 'Always Online' is worse than no used games IMO, since online connections nowadays are very unstable. Not to mention that the possibility of a PSN-style hack is out there, meaning if that happens, those games are completely useless under such scenarios. Why would anyone of rational judgment support such nonsense? These are big deals to people and you can't just say 'oh, it's not going to matter' because it will. It hurts the industry to be blatantly anti-consumer like this since it will drive people away from gaming just as quickly as Nintendo and Apple brought them in.

I don't like what I've been hearing about them. That said, I'm withholding judgement until we know the truth. If you've been paying attention, you'd remember this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...playstation-3v

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Both systems are in a crowded market, the 3DS has tons of competition from apple and smartphones, the Wii U has competition from the other consoles. Games will come out for the Wii U but it might take 2-3 years to see enough worthwhile stuff to justify the purchase, the 3DS had nothing at launch, but now it has a ton of games, at least coming out before the end of the year.

Originally Posted by SaraAB Both systems are in a crowded market, the 3DS has tons of competition from apple and smartphones, the Wii U has competition from the other consoles. Games will come out for the Wii U but it might take 2-3 years to see enough worthwhile stuff to justify the purchase, the 3DS had nothing at launch, but now it has a ton of games, at least coming out before the end of the year.

I think there's an expectation for the price of a Nintendo product at launch and its about 100 less than they launched at. Whether people want to admit it or not (I see a strangely large number of people denying this), Nintendo tries to target the children's market just as much as the core gamers and to a greater extent than the others. You can imagine a soccer mom going into Toys R Us looking for a console for little Johnny. She sees the Xbox with some first person pack in (Skyrim) and maybe one with kinect that. Next she sees the PS3 bundle with Uncharted 3 and Infamous 2. These are all $200. The Wii U is 350 and comes with one "tablet" but they already have an iPad and the other Wii without the tablet is damn near $100 and comes with two games that have the word "sports" in it which will get Johnny off the couch. She's been wanting to try Wii Fit for a while anyway because of her friends at the office.


Believe it or not, Wii Fit U may be more of a killer app than Zelda. Didnt wii fit have greater lifetime sales than most other first party games? I'm pretty sure it was in the top 10 for the Wii generation. If parents think they can use the console for something too then it's much more likely to be purchased.

Obviously kids aren't the only market for Nintendo products but they're certainly a large constituency of its consumers. If they put out a bundle with Nintendo land and Wii Fit U next holiday for $250, they'd sell all they could make of those bundles.

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According to Wikipedia, as of Dec 2012 a list of the best selling Wii games of all time:

• Wii Sports (81.64 million)[69]
• Mario Kart Wii (34.01 million)[69]
• Wii Sports Resort (31.54 million)[69]
• Wii Play (28.02 million)[70]
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii (27.61 million)[69]
• Wii Fit (22.67 million)[70][71]
• Wii Fit Plus (20.48 million)[72]
• Super Smash Bros. Brawl (10.79 million)[70]
• Super Mario Galaxy (10.68 million)[72][73]
• Wii Party (7.94 million)[72]
• Mario Party 8 (7.6 million)[74]
• Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (7.09 million)[75]
• Super Mario Galaxy 2 (6.36 million)[76]
• The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (5.82 million) [77]
• Just Dance 2 (5 million)[78]

I knew it was up there but holy shit, WiiFit AND WiiFit Plus????? The WiiFits are 3rd and 4th best selling games that weren't packed in with a console or packed in with a controller for $10 more than the controller costs by itself. Also, consider WiiFit with the balance board is ing expensive. It's amazing.

I agree with the CAGs that say the Wii U needs more games. It also needs better advertisement.

Nintendo is catering the Wii U around traditional gamers moreso than the Wii did for casual nontraditional gamers. Because of this the general demographic that would be interested in the Wii U (Nintendo fans, gamers) need more games from the system to justify a purchase.

They are also trying to integrate a new way to play games (Gamepad) but the advertisement on the Wii U and the Gamepad's features to the general public has been horrible so far.

A simple price cut is not the problem. In fact I think the Wii U is priced reasonably for a next gen system. The next gen technology for the Wii U is not in graphical/processing power but in it's interface. For me the Wii U is hands down more fun to use than the PS3 or 360 and it's because of Miiverse and the Gamepad. If Sony and MS can make their next gen systems fun and exciting like the Wii U and price it reasonably I think Nintendo will have something to be worried about. But I really don't think that will be the case and expect both companies to stress graphical prowess over user interface and fun factor.

Once the Wii U gets more games and Nintendo gets advertisement for the system out there it should start selling a lot more units.

Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus appeals to every single age group. Not hard to imagine it did well.

Originally Posted by Deader2818 Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus appeals to every single age group. Not hard to imagine it did well.

I had no idea it did that well. If you add them together they are number 2 after Wii Sports...