Originally Posted by CaseyRyback Federal legislation does not provide protection for any of these groups when it comes to matters such as employment.

I see how a homosexual worker should have equal rights under the law when it comes to employment, but not transsexuals who have chosen to modify their bodies. If a business' dress code says that men dress like men and women dress like women, should that become illegal? Similarly, I don't think religion should make one a protected class, because that is a choice a person makes. Choice is key here.

Do the rights the group is fighting for also include rights to expensive gender reassignment surgeries of dubious value?

In Portland they even add the Q on to the string of lettes. LGBTQ. Q is for Questioning.

The local news media has used the term "sexual minorities".

Originally Posted by pacifickarma Pansexual = Loves Bread?

Ha, had to google that one myself as well.

I've always found it ironic that groups seek acceptance by singling themselves out... to me it perpetuates isolation but that is just me..

I'm open minded enough to not consider people different based on traits-mental or physical-but I understand the rest of the world does not share that mindset.

I agree lets hate everyone equally, QiG.

Originally Posted by Spokker I see how a homosexual worker should have equal rights under the law when it comes to employment, but not transsexuals who have chosen to modify their bodies. If a business' dress code says that men dress like men and women dress like women, should that become illegal? Similarly, I don't think religion should make one a protected class, because that is a choice a person makes. Choice is key here. Do the rights the group is fighting for also include rights to expensive gender reassignment surgeries of dubious value?

I don't think that this type of discussion is relevant to this thread and more suited to vs. This thread is to help out a fellow CAG looking for some friends more similar to he/she is. That's it.

Originally Posted by Spokker I see how a homosexual worker should have equal rights under the law when it comes to employment, but not transsexuals who have chosen to modify their bodies. If a business' dress code says that men dress like men and women dress like women, should that become illegal? Similarly, I don't think religion should make one a protected class, because that is a choice a person makes. Choice is key here. Do the rights the group is fighting for also include rights to expensive gender reassignment surgeries of dubious value?

Gender identity isn't a choice.

Originally Posted by JasonTerminator Gender identity isn't a choice.

Whether or not it is a choice, who would be wrong in the following scenario?

So let's say I run a restaurant. The female waiters can choose to either wear the provided dress or wear jeans. It's like a Western cowboy type theme.

The male waiters only have one choice, the jeans and cowboy shirt.

So an employee who was born male but identifies as female comes to me one day and says that they are wearing the uniform with the dress. My concern is that the employee is going to clearly look like a man in a dress no matter what they have between their legs, Adam's apple and everything. After some back and forth, I put my foot on the ground and say that either this employee wears the pants uniform or leaves. Or I even offer them a chance to work in the back.

Should my business be sued into the ground?

Bonus question: Let's say I compromise and say that a fully transitioned employee can wear the dress, but I would not allow a person in the process of transitioning to wear the dress until they are fully transitioned, is this okay?

Thanks for the kind words and support guys(and girls). If anyone wants to share their experience of being bi, gay, lesbian or transexual then go for it! Lets have fun and yes I need some bi, gay, lesbian buds. Lets all help each other out and have a big orgy Love my trannies big time! :3

Originally Posted by Spokker Whether or not it is a choice, who would be wrong in the following scenario? So let's say I run a restaurant. The female waiters can choose to either wear the provided dress or wear jeans. It's like a Western cowboy type theme. The male waiters only have one choice, the jeans and cowboy shirt. So an employee who was born male but identifies as female comes to me one day and says that they are wearing the uniform with the dress. My concern is that the employee is going to clearly look like a man in a dress no matter what they have between their legs, Adam's apple and everything. After some back and forth, I put my foot on the ground and say that either this employee wears the pants uniform or leaves. Or I even offer them a chance to work in the back.

You're free to run your business anyways you want. Most people who identify as the opposite gender tend to make adjustments to appear more of that gender, though. So saying that what you have is clearly a man in a dress might be a stretch for sake of your argument, although I don't doubt it could happen.

I also don't see why a male that identifies as female wouldn't just wear the jeans in that position.

Originally Posted by Spokker Bonus question: Let's say I compromise and say that a fully transitioned employee can wear the dress, but I would not allow a person in the process of transitioning to wear the dress until they are fully transitioned, is this okay?

How okay this situation is is subjective. Again, it's your business.

Originally Posted by QiG I've always found it ironic that groups seek acceptance by singling themselves out... to me it perpetuates isolation but that is just me.. I'm open minded enough to not consider people different based on traits-mental or physical-but I understand the rest of the world does not share that mindset.

It isn't really like we're trying to single ourselves out, it's more like when someone asks about orientation or when you come out you have to deal with some people singling you out.

And I totally agree with that mind set, I'm totally open to whatever and accepting of other people's interests and beliefs, and I always just try to be myself.

Originally Posted by dohdough I don't think that this type of discussion is relevant to this thread and more suited to vs. This thread is to help out a fellow CAG looking for some friends more similar to he/she is. That's it.

I totally agree with this, I thought about responding to some of those posts but it just kind of seems like a waste of time arguing with people who are clearly dead set on their opinion already.

I've always thought there was more of a spectrum of sexuality. Instead of this idea "being gay is who you are and how you behave".

We've almost gone too far in the other direction for acceptance, where we have to announce what someone's sexuality is as part of their job. Lesbian Fire Chief. Lesbian School Board Member. Lesbian Speaker of the house.

Or making sure that seats on boards or commissions are filled by someone who is LGBT.

Came in to see if you girls had goatse pics everywhere and ended up googling pansexual...

Lol

Originally Posted by eldergamer I've always thought there was more of a spectrum of sexuality. Instead of this idea "being gay is who you are and how you behave". We've almost gone too far in the other direction for acceptance, where we have to announce what someone's sexuality is as part of their job. Lesbian Fire Chief. Lesbian School Board Member. Lesbian Speaker of the house. Or making sure that seats on boards or commissions are filled by someone who is LGBT.

Tokenism may be an issue, but LGBT's have traditionally been barred socially, and sometimes institutionally, from these positions. Hell, they still are and it's important to make those distinctions because if we're honest with ourselves, they still face stigma and not just by a small vocal minority of bigots.

If this wasn't an issue, this thread wouldn't exist.

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Lovely thread, snakemaster2389. My only criticism is that transgender people are mysteriously missing from the thread title.

I identify as a gaymer who sometimes visits the websites below when I want my gaming coverage and community to be more, well, gay-related, because it's nice to have those safe spaces with like-minded individuals, where I don't feel that I need to censor myself quite as much.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaymers

http://www.gaygamer.net

http://borderhouseblog.com/

http://gaymerconnect.com/

There's also a lot of gaymers on tumblr if you search for the tag, gaymer.

Originally Posted by leveskikesko Lovely thread, snakemaster2389. My only criticism is that transgender people are mysteriously missing from the thread title. I identify as a gaymer who sometimes visits the websites below when I want my gaming coverage and community to be more, well, gay-related, because it's nice to have those safe spaces with like-minded individuals, where I don't feel that I need to censor myself quite as much. http://www.reddit.com/r/gaymers http://www.gaygamer.net http://borderhouseblog.com/ http://gaymerconnect.com/ There's also a lot of gaymers on tumblr if you search for the tag, gaymer.

thanks for the links and yea I'm just seeing if there are any other bi or gay guys or girls or trannies on cag

Pansexual?

Originally Posted by metaphysicalstyles Pansexual?

mmm yummy

In all seriousness... can someone clarify the difference between bi-sexual and pansexual? Sorry... stupid (not ignorant) straight guy here intrigued by the pansexual concept. Seems more orientation-based? Or less orientation-based? Started doing a bit of research... but my brain cashed-out after a few paragraphs.

Originally Posted by metaphysicalstyles In all seriousness... can someone clarify the difference between bi-sexual and pansexual? Sorry... stupid (not ignorant) straight guy here intrigued by the pansexual concept. Seems more orientation-based? Or less orientation-based? Started doing a bit of research... but my brain cashed-out after a few paragraphs.

i dont know, im pretty straight also but im bi sometimes lol. doesn't really matter anymore does it? its cool to be bi or gay now

Originally Posted by metaphysicalstyles In all seriousness... can someone clarify the difference between bi-sexual and pansexual? Sorry... stupid (not ignorant) straight guy here intrigued by the pansexual concept. Seems more orientation-based? Or less orientation-based? Started doing a bit of research... but my brain cashed-out after a few paragraphs.

Basically the difference is that bi-sexual is thought to mostly imply someone who can be attracted to males and females but doesn't necessarily imply that they find transgender individuals attractive (with that said many people who could identify as pansexual might just identify with being bi-sexual because it requires less explanation, as can be seen in this thread).

Pansexual on the other hand implies someone who can be attracted to males, females, and transgender individuals. Along with that someone who is pansexual considers gender to be irrelevant when it comes to attraction, while I don't think this totally means that they might not have a stronger preference towards individuals with a particular combination of gender traits, I do think that pansexuals are less likely than someone who identifies as bi-sexual to demonstrate a stronger level of attraction towards one of the two standard binary genders.