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Old 03-16-2013, 03:01 PM   #161
As someone who has been conducting interviews at my company on a consistent basis (roughly 4-5 interviews per week for the past two months), PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD make your resumé fit on one page. Unless you have been working consistently for 15+ years in the same industry and expect to make $250k per year, you do not have enough experience to have a two page resumé (there are exceptions, in those cases your resumé may very well be a portfolio).

Few tips for those going through interviews:

-Be confident in your responses (you got the interview, which means they like what they see on your resumé)
-Always answer the question first, add to it if you want, but never more than a few sentences
-RESEARCH the company you are applying for! Looks very poorly on your behalf if you have no idea what the position the interview is for
-Maintain eye contact, ALWAYS maintain eye contact. Play a little game and try to make the other person loose eye contact first.
-ASK QUESTIONS, I will answer them. Asking questions shows interest beyond just the "job"
-Put your cell phone away/turn that shit off. I am taking my time to see if I want to pay you, respect my time.
-Dress accordingly. No need for a tie, but a little effort shows you at least care.

I am sure you guys have all read and seen plenty of tips. I just can't believe with all this access to information through the internet that people are still lost. Do some research, read some self-improving books once in awhile, create discipline, it will help and it will show.

A little tip for those that get the job:

We know your first day is going to be rough, which is usually why we throw you in the shark tank. We want to see if you can tread water, the expectation is to see you drown. Friend everyone and TELL THEM it is your first day, people are generally nice and they will help you if they can. The managers/supervisors know what their work environment looks like and all they ask is to see you try on your first day, because first impressions go a long way.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:57 PM   #162
Awesome tips, will do my best to follow them
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:11 PM   #163
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For those that are in school (college/university), use your career counselors. My pit fall was that I didn't use them as much as I should have. I was super fortunate to know a very good friend who ended becoming a career counselor at a major university. They have all the tools and knowledge to help you, use them because the reason most take that job is because they are actually very nice people and love to help others!

For everything I learned in school, I think a full semester is required to learn about the resume building/interviewing/hiring process. This isn't easy stuff, everyone needs practice in this process.

And if you aren't in school, go to your local community college, they have career counselors there who can help aswell. They might not have the exact answers for you, but they will help you find where to get those answers.

Just kind of wish someone yelled this information at me 5 years ago lol.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:22 PM   #164
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-Put your cell phone away/turn that shit off. I am taking my time to see if I want to pay you, respect my time.
People actually do this? If I was interviewing, and they checked their Facebook or something, I'd toss the resume. Probably in front of them.

I have the opportunity to apply to do interviews, but I'm undecided if I want to pursue it.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:26 PM   #165
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For those that are in school (college/university), use your career counselors. My pit fall was that I didn't use them as much as I should have. I was super fortunate to know a very good friend who ended becoming a career counselor at a major university. They have all the tools and knowledge to help you, use them because the reason most take that job is because they are actually very nice people and love to help others!

For everything I learned in school, I think a full semester is required to learn about the resume building/interviewing/hiring process. This isn't easy stuff, everyone needs practice in this process.
They required anyone who interviewed on campus at my college to pass a mock interview so that they could prove that you were at least competent at an interview and wouldn't embarrass the school. Was definitely a good idea. There were also optional classes you could take on interviewing/resume building, but they weren't required. Maybe they should have been.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:34 PM   #166
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People actually do this? If I was interviewing, and they checked their Facebook or something, I'd toss the resume. Probably in front of them.

You'd be surprised. I can tell when you go to your phone to stop it from vibrating, do yourself a favor and turn it off so that you don't get into nervous mode because your phone went off.


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They required anyone who interviewed on campus at my college to pass a mock interview so that they could prove that you were at least competent at an interview and wouldn't embarrass the school. Was definitely a good idea. There were also optional classes you could take on interviewing/resume building, but they weren't required. Maybe they should have been.

That is awesome that they required that from you. Now that I think about, I think the purpose of not making it a required class is to make it so that people who do have that drive will seek out help. Those that went to school and expected a job afterwards will be a loss because they have no passion for their craft, their drive was not for self improvement, but for selfish greed.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:35 PM   #167
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A little tip for those that get the job:

We know your first day is going to be rough, which is usually why we throw you in the shark tank. We want to see if you can tread water, the expectation is to see you drown. .
Where the hell do you work? I absolutely expect the opposite. The first day is cake. I want newbies to take it easy and learn as much as possible their first day. Not do stuff.

I've never been part of a company that puts new hires through the fire on the first day. Me or anyone else.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:38 PM   #168
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As someone who has been conducting interviews at my company on a consistent basis (roughly 4-5 interviews per week for the past two months), PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD make your resumé fit on one page. Unless you have been working consistently for 15+ years in the same industry and expect to make $250k per year, you do not have enough experience to have a two page resumé (there are exceptions, in those cases your resumé may very well be a portfolio).

Few tips for those going through interviews:

-Be confident in your responses (you got the interview, which means they like what they see on your resumé)
-Always answer the question first, add to it if you want, but never more than a few sentences
-RESEARCH the company you are applying for! Looks very poorly on your behalf if you have no idea what the position the interview is for
-Maintain eye contact, ALWAYS maintain eye contact. Play a little game and try to make the other person loose eye contact first.
-ASK QUESTIONS, I will answer them. Asking questions shows interest beyond just the "job"
-Put your cell phone away/turn that shit off. I am taking my time to see if I want to pay you, respect my time.
-Dress accordingly. No need for a tie, but a little effort shows you at least care.

I am sure you guys have all read and seen plenty of tips. I just can't believe with all this access to information through the internet that people are still lost. Do some research, read some self-improving books once in awhile, create discipline, it will help and it will show.

Thanks for this. I'm a junior in college and have my first interview ever in two weeks (for an internship position) If anyone has any other advice I would appreciate it
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:44 PM   #169
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Thanks for this. I'm a junior in college and have my first interview ever in two weeks (for an internship position) If anyone has any other advice I would appreciate it
Unless you have a weak bladder: big ass can of red bull before the interview.
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:57 PM   #170
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PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD make your resumé fit on one page. Unless you have been working consistently for 15+ years in the same industry and expect to make $250k per year, you do not have enough experience to have a two page resumé (there are exceptions, in those cases your resumé may very well be a portfolio).
Incidentally, this is not what recruiters have been telling me lately.

If you have the skills, show them off.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:00 PM   #171
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Where the hell do you work? I absolutely expect the opposite. The first day is cake. I want newbies to take it easy and learn as much as possible their first day. Not do stuff.

I've never been part of a company that puts new hires through the fire on the first day. Me or anyone else.

Don't make me spill all my secrets, but if it was me that has a new hire, the job would already been done (not going to make myself look bad :P ), but they just don't know it. I just want to see if you can do it. I also want to see if you can one up our process and do it better. Then we have cake :P

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Thanks for this. I'm a junior in college and have my first interview ever in two weeks (for an internship position) If anyone has any other advice I would appreciate it

Make sure you get paid/college credit/stipend from your internship. Non-paid/no-credited internships are just companies trying to task shitty work to someone they don't have to pay. Granted there are exceptions, but if you have a paid internship before graduating, then your initial starting salary will reflect that. My brother was extremely smart in this aspect and even though my status is higher than his, he gets paid more than I do.

Also for you college people, run/apply for student body. Not only do you get stipends from your school, they may also help in housing costs. Plus the experience that you get from student body is second to none, sometimes even better than having job experience. Not to mention the other perks of meeting/dealing/.connecting with people everyday. Also you get your own/shared office (depending on your position). The last bit too, is that usually you are only going against one or two people for the position, those odds are in your favor.


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Incidentally, this is not what recruiters have been telling me lately.

If you have the skills, show them off.

There are exceptions and that is industry to industry. A long time friend of mine is a photographer, he has to cite everything he has ever done, to show that he is consistent with work, despite work being two days on a weekend shoot most of the time. Then there is also the whole portfolio thing. There are exceptions, just be aware of that.

Careful with using recruiters, you are their commodity. They make a living selling you and others to their clients. Not saying don't have one, I am saying don't rely only on them for job opportunities.

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Old 03-16-2013, 05:21 PM   #172
My resume is 2 pages. Just no possible way for it all to fit on one page. Everyone seems ok with it.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:27 PM   #173
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My resume is 2 pages. Just no possible way for it all to fit on one page. Everyone seems ok with it.

Eh this is really a semantics argument, but generally if you have less than five years of work experience and your resume is two pages, then you might just have a lot of fluff there.

Not saying your resume is all fluff, just saying what I am use to seeing on a resume. Some people like more, some people like less. I am from the less is more school of thought, but that doesn't mean I always have it right.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:28 PM   #174
Put me in the "no two page resumes" crowd. Unless you're higher level, it's obnoxious and unnecessary. I won't ever get to that second page.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:39 PM   #175
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Eh this is really a semantics argument, but generally if you have less than five years of work experience and your resume is two pages, then you might just have a lot of fluff there.

Not saying your resume is all fluff, just saying what I am use to seeing on a resume. Some people like more, some people like less. I am from the less is more school of thought, but that doesn't mean I always have it right.
This is what I believe the prevailing opinion usually is. Every career counselor/experienced professional person/articles I've read about recruiters have all said the same thing. I was initially on the opposite end of the spectrum and had difficulty making my resume be a full page when I first got out of college.

Having had a couple of post-college jobs now, it's definitely become easier to fill the page with more relevant work related items. Unfortunately, both of the jobs I've worked in don't have what I believe to be any real relevant transferable skills (which is highly problematic and really bothers me) for the types of jobs them I want, so I've had to do my best to make them not seem like worthless endeavors and put as much of a positive spin on them as I can.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:13 PM   #176
This is pretty depressing. I've had three phone interviews over the past two months and never heard back from anyone. I felt I did pretty good in all of them and was polite. I'm starting to doubt I will get anything this summer. If I can't even get a summer internship, how the hell am I supposed to get a full time job when I graduate next summer (hopefully)?
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:11 AM   #177
I recommend doing things many others do not.

Make a professional presence online with an about.me page and a LinkedIn profile (you would be surprised how many do not)
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:44 PM   #178
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This is pretty depressing. I've had three phone interviews over the past two months and never heard back from anyone. I felt I did pretty good in all of them and was polite. I'm starting to doubt I will get anything this summer. If I can't even get a summer internship, how the hell am I supposed to get a full time job when I graduate next summer (hopefully)?

RUN/APPLY FOR STUDENT BODY! Seriously, having a position in your school's student body can provide much better experience than most internships. Even if you are not successful in getting a position, the people you will meet along the way are going to be top notch people. Having connections is half the battle.

Also you your career consular, they love to help people!
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #179
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We want to see if you can tread water, the expectation is to see you drown.
A similar experience happened to me 6 years into my current job. A former boss told me "I'd rather see you fail". This was before I requested a one week vacation to go visit my dad's grave. When I came back, I was pulled into doing so many people's work that I couldn't get my stuff done (and of course I was yelled at for it).

Fast forward to January where I put in for one day off to take my mother to the hospital. I was "rewarded" with a 10 day consecutive work schedule.

Getting punished for taking time off. It was actually documented in a 20/20 documentary called "Workplace Confidential":

http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH55902...e-confidential

That episode also revealed some tactics people use to prevent people from being hired.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:54 PM   #180
Got an email from a recruiter wondering if I was interested in a 6-12+ month contract position where I used to work for significantly more money than I was making before. I of course said yes. Hopefully I will hear back within the next week.
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