Originally Posted by VioletArrows Yeah no. I hated it because I rarely got to do anything meanwhile not getting to step out of the spawn point for more than 5 seconds before dying. Every 'newb' room I tried was full of high level assholes taking advantage of everyone who wanted to try the free weekend. I remember at one point I was shooting directly at someone for a straight minute (someone else had him pinned in a corner). HE WOULDN'T DIE because he was a higher level and I had lvl 1 weapons. I gave up and uninstalled it.

1) You should have joined a different server if you weren't good enough to get out of your spawn point because of spawn camping. Unlike other FPS games, spawn camping is okay because you should be either calling your teammates back to help or doing something yourself.
2) You do not gain levels in TF2 unless you're talking about skill level.
3) Different guns do different damage.
4) For the last sentence, read #2 again and than let me add that the majority of the higher level weapons are not inherently better or even stronger than their original. You just needed to play better.

Originally Posted by Hostile 1) You should have joined a different server if you weren't good enough to get out of your spawn point because of spawn camping. Unlike other FPS games, spawn camping is okay because you should be either calling your teammates back to help or doing something yourself. 2) You do not gain levels in TF2 unless you're talking about skill level. 3) Different guns do different damage. 4) For the last sentence, read #2 again and than let me add that the majority of the higher level weapons are not inherently better or even stronger than their original. You just needed to play better.

THIS

In fact, many of the lvl 10 weapons really suck compared to the lvl 1s. Most are very situational and/or novelty.

Ive only played the 360 version. What is all this talk of different leveled weapons? Im intrigued.

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Meh, I'm done with any and all team games. 'Learn to play better' after disregarding what I said is basically what turns me off those games.

Originally Posted by genfuyung Ive only played the 360 version. What is all this talk of different leveled weapons? Im intrigued.

Me, too. I only played this on the 360, but I do own TOB on the PC, so I might start getting into on here, as well.

As you may or may not know, with each Achievement pack comes new weapons. The weapons are given a level, purely for cosmetic/flavor value. For example, the standard medic bonesaw is like a level 1 saw. The Ubersaw is a level 10 saw (or something like that). The levels don't mean anything.

Originally Posted by VioletArrows Meh, I'm done with any and all team games. 'Learn to play better' after disregarding what I said is basically what turns me off those games.

he didn't disregard what you said, he read and responded to it
granted, "learn to play better" probably wasn't the best thing to say, but i see what he meant

you're talking shit about the game when it's obvious that you don't even understand the game's mechanics
people might get the wrong impression

Bleh, 2nd weapon for the heavy is a minigun that slows the victim down, but lowers damage given by 25%. Here's hoping they are saving the best upgrade for last, cause these weapon upgrades aren't that impressive.

K.G.B. - Two to three seconds of crits with the minigun doesn't sound too bad. It has always been a pretty bad melee weapon though.

Natascha - Not as horrible as it seems. It will definitely help the team more if the 'slow' effect is any good and all it takes is one bullet to do so. You can slow nearly half the team after jumping out from a corner and while they try to run, your allies will killing them.

Pretty much any alternative version of the weapon have their strength and weakness. The new Backburner flamethrower increase damage dealt from behind but you loses the air blast which can be deadly if used correctly. Same goes with the Natascha upgrade, it will only do good for weak enemies that runs away like scout, medic, spy and engineer.

So the new 'leveled up' weapons aren't more powerful, it's just different.

Anyways I'll have fun beating my personal record on sniper and spy kills with the new achievement update and free weekend noobs.

And people that plays TF2 on consoles, get the PC version if your computer can run it since it's so much better with free contents that Valve constantly releases. All these updates will probably cost $20 alone on xbox live if they every releases them.

nice, maybe I can get my cousin to finally play this game (although I haven't played much).

Originally Posted by Negative Bleh, 2nd weapon for the heavy is a minigun that slows the victim down, but lowers damage given by 25%. Here's hoping they are saving the best upgrade for last, cause these weapon upgrades aren't that impressive.

The third weapon is going to be a sandvich that you can eat to get back health.

this game is well worth 20 dollars. Best 20 dollars I've EVER spent on a game.