Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart How many games do you expect from each first party team per year? They've already hit Metroid, Fire Emblem, and Zelda. Do you honestly expect any of those teams to have produced ANYTHING good in time for this holiday season?

I expect at least 2 games from Intelligent Systems. Last year they put out at least 5 games I can think of, possibly more. I have gotten 1 Advance Wars. IF NOA could get off its lazy ass and get out FES or Pokemon Platnium, then I could feel that Reggie's Comments are justified.

Insatiable? Like we're a bunch of horny, lonely housewives? All I want is Nintendo to develop new IPs for the "hardcore." This has been a problem for some time, but it seems really bad for this generation. I'm a huge fan of Nintendo, but I'm getting a little sick of defending them when one of their big holiday releases is Wii Music.

This year IS has put out Days of Ruin and in Japan, the remake Fire Emblem for DS.

Last year, they put out Fire Emblem, Paper Mario and WarioWare, the previous 2 having most of their dev time under the Gamecube.

I dont believe anyone knows what they've been working on since then.

Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart This year IS has put out Days of Ruin and in Japan, the remake Fire Emblem for DS. Last year, they put out Fire Emblem, Paper Mario and WarioWare, the previous 2 having most of their dev time under the Gamecube. I dont believe anyone knows what they've been working on since then.

I previously stated NOJ is much better at making games people care about then NOA. It should not take 6 months to a year to get it out across the sea.

Does NOA even make games, period? I thought all of the branches of EAD were in Japan

Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart How many games do you expect from each first party team per year? They've already hit Metroid, Fire Emblem, and Zelda. Do you honestly expect any of those teams to have produced ANYTHING good in time for this holiday season?

This, exactly.

Nintendo can only do so much, and the best games take time to make. Do people make these same demands of Sony and Microsoft (and their second parties)?

Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart This year IS has put out Days of Ruin and in Japan, the remake Fire Emblem for DS. Last year, they put out Fire Emblem, Paper Mario and WarioWare, the previous 2 having most of their dev time under the Gamecube. I dont believe anyone knows what they've been working on since then.

KEY WORDS: IN JAPAN

NCL is doing a fine job of getting games out, it's just NOA is taking their sweet ass time releasing relevant hardcore games over here, or they're not releasing them at all.

Originally Posted by blueshinra This, exactly. Nintendo can only do so much, and the best games take time to make. Do people make these same demands of Sony and Microsoft (and their second parties)?

Not really, but that's because of the 3rd party support.


Don't really care about this article, but I love how he cites Wii Fit...that er knows exactly how to screw with the hardcore gamer

Has Microsoft Games Studio released anything since Halo 3 and PGR4? And yet I don't hear anyone complaining about the 360. Why? Because the 3rd parties put out some decent stuff.

Your beef is not with Nintendo, people, but all the companies not releasing anything of any value on the system when the opportunity is ripe.

Do Sony and Microsoft even make good games?

I know someone's gonna jump in and yell out "Uncharted," but that's kinda the point.

Originally Posted by ninja dog Not really, but that's because of the 3rd party support.

Yep, and to me, that's more important than how many new Mario games Nintendo can release this generation. Third party support is great on the DS, but merely okay on the Wii so far. I'm fine with that for right now, but I would like it to be better.

Nintendo itself is giving me enough of what I want to play. The Wii Fit bit aside, I think Reggie has a real point here.

Sony has Team ICO and Digital Polyphony under their wing, but they're super slow.

The trend for both Sony and MS though, particularly this year, has been to dissolve 1st party development and move toward 3rd.

Originally Posted by Chacrana Do Sony and Microsoft even make good games? I know someone's gonna jump in and yell out "Uncharted," but that's kinda the point.

Microsoft does alright, Sony's struggling to find their footing as the PS2 was a roaring success thanks to 3rd party, not 1st party support.

I can't even think of one good game Microsoft has made.

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Originally Posted by Chacrana I can't even think of one good game Microsoft has made.

Brute Force.

Originally Posted by Strell Brute Force.

Originally Posted by Chacrana I can't even think of one good game Microsoft has made.

The PGR's were solid, but Bizzare of course isn't under their wing anymore.

Halo 1 & 3 were fun.

That's the thing - MS didn't make any of those - they just published that ish.

No matter how shit Nintendo is, at least they're actually making games and those games are actually good. They might be slow as hell and occasionally make stupid shit, but that's more than can be said about Sony of MS.

MGS owns Lionhead, so they can get credited for Fable

Originally Posted by Chacrana I can't even think of one good game Microsoft has made.

SRSLY:
Forza 1 and 2
Lost Odyssey
Ninja Gaiden 2.

Ehhh Microsoft has no internal devolpment.
This is hard.

Originally Posted by Chacrana That's the thing - MS didn't make any of those - they just published that ish. No matter how shit Nintendo is, at least they're actually making games and those games are actually good. They might be slow as hell and make stupid shit, but that's more than can be said about Sony of MS.

Shadow of the Colossus is better then anything Nintendo ever made.