Originally Posted by cr_blah_blah I kind of agree with the sentiment of not needing conversations to be about where to spend money on. It's as if Wombat completely ignores quality for game length or subject matter. It's not "retail game X that lasts for so many hours for $10" vs "downloadable game X for $10" it's "good game for $10" vs "crappy game for $10". Force Unleashed, Marvel Ultimate, Dark Sector, or whatever comic game Wombat suggest doesn't make it automatically more worthy because it's a retail game compared to Braid, Penny Arcade, Pac-Man:CE. A shorter quality experience is much more worth $10 than mediocre property cash-in, regardless of whether it's a retail or downloadable game.

Here's my problem with what you say here, how can I completely ignore Braid, PA and Pac Man, when I own and have completed all of them? Also I never said Pac Man CE wasn't worth 10, I think it is, that’s why the Namco collection that’s on sale at Gamestop is such a great buy. I also think Geo Wars 2 is a great buy for 10 bucks. I also on the last show said that the Fallout 3 content and the Fable2 content was worth the 10 bucks. So where does your length argument come from? I just am not fan of Braid; I think it pretentious clap trap. Cloning Clyde is a far superior puzzle platformer for 10 bucks; I also prefer its humor and character design. And to go back to you Penny Arcade without that license would probably be considered mediocre, the same argument you make for MUA or Star Wars: FU. So yes on the CheapAssGamer podcast we will continue to give our opinions are where we feel the consumers dollar is best spent, that’s kind of what we do, and tell poop jokes.

Originally Posted by msdmoney I don't know why Cheapy thought Heather Chaplin's comments were "silly". I couldn't tell if Cheapy was scoffing at the idea that developers were stunted adolescents and that games lack any of the things that separate men from boys, or the idea that this is a problem. I think the first point is fairly undeniable, the majority of games made today are juvenile male power fantasies. Cheapy showed this when he responded to Heather's comments by relating fun in games to chopping limbs off (maybe partially in jest), and then later in the show again backed up Heather Chaplin saying that "every woman in a video game always has giant cans." Whether or not you think this is a problem is a matter of perspective. I think we have room for both Heroes and Mad Men in our video games, and I hope eventually we'll get some of the latter. I'm always surprised to see gamers resort to the, "I just play games to have fun" arguement any time someone criticizes or wants to talk about games more in depth. Do we really expect so little from games, that we don't think they can convey "responsibility, introspection, intimacy, and intellectual discovery" in a meaningful way. I would think gamers would be the strongest supporters of the possibilites for games, but whenever the going gets tough gamers fall back on, well they're just games.

You know I would surmise the same thing; people care about these things in other mediums so shouldn't people care about it in video games? However, I made a post similar to yours a couple pages back and no one has responded to it. Even though you didn't respond to what I wrote at least you are someone else who touched on this topic.

Right now the majority of games see maturity as using swear words, sex, and violence; hardly ever will a game touch on mature themes, such as those that you listed—responsibility, introspection, intimacy, and intellectual discovery. Also there are plenty more mature themes than that.

Anyway, like I said before everyone should play The Path. The game is not a game you are going to say is fun or that you enjoyed playing it. However, you should be able to appreciate the game. Schindler's List is not a fun or enjoyable movie, but people appreciate it. I am not comparing The Path to Schindler's List; I am merely using it as an example for something that does not have to be fun to be appreciated.

I thought Heather Chaplin meant that if games want to be put on the same level as music, movies, and books and be taken as a serious medium in society, they have to start doing X, Y, Z. At least that's what I got from it, but I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by Wombat Here's my problem with what you say here, how can I completely ignore Braid, PA and Pac Man, when I own and have completed all of them? Also I never said Pac Man CE wasn't worth 10, I think it is, that’s why the Namco collection that’s on sale at Gamestop is such a great buy. I also think Geo Wars 2 is a great buy for 10 bucks. I also on the last show said that the Fallout 3 content and the Fable2 content was worth the 10 bucks. So where does your length argument come from? I just am not fan of Braid; I think it pretentious clap trap. Cloning Clyde is a far superior puzzle platformer for 10 bucks; I also prefer its humor and character design. And to go back to you Penny Arcade without that license would probably be considered mediocre, the same argument you make for MUA or Star Wars: FU. So yes on the CheapAssGamer podcast we will continue to give our opinions are where we feel the consumers dollar is best spent, that’s kind of what we do, and tell poop jokes.

My argument is mainly how on each podcast the retail vs downloadable game worth comes up and the downloadable ones always seem to get the shaft when compared to a universally mediocre retail game. It's not a big deal, I'm not proclaiming to never listen again, it's just a frustrating circumstance that comes up each week. Well if there's something we will have to agree on it's poop jokes.

Originally Posted by cr_blah_blah My argument is mainly how on each podcast the retail vs downloadable game worth comes up and the downloadable ones always seem to get the shaft when compared to a universally mediocre retail game. It's not a big deal, I'm not proclaiming to never listen again, it's just a frustrating circumstance that comes up each week. Well if there's something we will have to agree on it's poop jokes.

Well thats Microsoft's fault have continiung a trend of lousy "deal's of the week". If Geo Wars 2 was half price, I would shout on my roof that everyone needs to buy it. PA Ep1, not so much, and for good measure Poop.

Originally Posted by Imallvol7 VC sold out at gamestop :(

Not in the physical stores.

Well, this entire thread is hardly about the cagcast. By all means, continue in your pointless racist arguments.

Wombat, as always, thank you for your advice. I will be picking up Namco Museum from Gamestop. Also, any decision about Game Night tonight yet? Looking forward to hearing from you!

Originally Posted by Wombat ...and tell poop jokes.

I would be thoroughly disappointed if the poop jokes were to cease.

Originally Posted by Wombat Well thats Microsoft's fault have continiung a trend of lousy "deal's of the week". If Geo Wars 2 was half price, I would shout on my roof that everyone needs to buy it. PA Ep1, not so much, and for good measure Poop.

Huh, M$ having a bad pricing strategy on something? Say it ain't so!

By the way, keep up the good work guys. I love the podcasts. And what's this I hear about a clan match vs the Rebel FM guys? I just heard about a Killzone 2 match on their podcast. I wish I would've learned about your clan earlier. I love me some Killzone.

In reguards to Cheapy's statement about the lady being black did not come off as racist to me. He inquired and asked Wombat if she was black. He did not assume she was by making a statement like "Yeah, I hate it when black people ask me for stuff in line". His statement was stereotyping, not racist. First he pisses off the homosexual community by using the word "Gay", and know he pisses off African-American and other politically correct listners by his stereotype comment. This is not a show like Oprah where the hosts are polite and tell heart warming stories. This is a show where they fillibuster with fart jokes, poop stories, and crazy hypothesis. From what I can tell in the show neither of the hosts are racist, Cheapy was just goofing off and trying to secure the Deuchbag of the Year Award in the first quarter, cant hate a guy for trying.

Ok, here's my two cents, the blood in the sand will cost u extra. First off, Reggie needs to log into Amazon. What's the first thing listed under ANY item's price, be it a video game, a DVD, a book OR a music CD? That would be the "Used from $XX.XX" price Reggie. Not to mention, anyone frequent Blockbuster and their Pre-viewed DVD sales? I certainly do. But I digress Reggie, you are right, in the middle of a recession, and speaking for the working blue-collar class, we are all entralled with paying top dollar for entertainment that will never have any trade-in value from the moment it goes in our shopping carts. I know you guys already said on the cast you think he's smoking crack for his statements, but I just had to throw a few more stones in the pot as to why he's wrong.
Next topic, Call of Duty. I agree with you that there were motivations behind Infinity Ward's dropping of the 'Call of Duty 4' moniker, however, I think you were way off with your reasons why. Call me crazy, and I have no factual basis for this, but could it be that Infinity Ward wants to distance themselves with Treyarch, and now they have a successful IP to use as a vehicle for such a purpose? Very few people seemed happy with the announcement that World at War would return to the WWII setting, and even though it is a good game, it still stands in the shadow cast by Modern Warfare. I doubt the programmers and team would ever be quoted as saying this, but I think they are enjoying the success of Modern Warfare and they see an opportunity to not have to share their franchise with another developer----a developer who has the ability to take the franchise in directions the Infinity Ward team may not like(ie WWII). Good argument by Wombat BTW with his statements about marketing stamping COD4 on the box, they'd be stupid not to do so. I'll go on record now by saying not only do I agree with that, I'm sure it will be all over the box, BUT I will call it now - Modern Warfare 2 will be a good enough game to establish and continue the Modern Warfare name without needing a COD4 stamp on the next Modern Warfare game.
Lastly, I have a question about your Netflix discussion. OK Cheapy, I see your point about Netflix drastically reducing overhead by consolidating to a streaming only service. Here's my question, what are the costs for lisencing High Def formats for streaming? I don't doubt that it would be cheaper than buying the physical media, but I'm curious what the costs associated and comparison with purchasing the rights for standard quality versus high definition content are. Surely someone has their hand on the cookie jar somewhere there, there must be money charged for licensing and costs associated somehow. What's that process and pricing like, if you have any knowledge?
That's all, I've babbled long enuff, enjoy the show guys, keep up the great work, even though I moved out of Queens, you guys are like my NYC gaming news resource.

The point is that people have every right to be offended. The fact that MANY people keyed in on the same phrase and were offended speaks volumes to validity and power of what was said no matter how subtle it came across. Its no laughing matter. And sweeping it under the rug as some suggest would not help to move forward. How can the sensibilities and opinions of listeners be "pointless" especially when its not just one of two people saying it. Open your mind. Expand your worldview to that other than your own. Cheapy just needs to speak on it, get that over with and then move forward. Its not the end of the world but it would be worse to act like nothing happened. The reality is that everyone has a moment like that at some time or another and as long as you can learn from it and grow its all good.

And I agree the microsoft deals of the week have been pointless.

why is Wombat so misunderstood?

Cheapy Delight has powers. before listening to this podcast i had just beaten the bourne conspiracy (fun game) i remember i picked up dark sector during an amazon sale like a year ago for $20 and just yesterday i said lets pop in some sector. now cheapy talks about it on the show perfect timing.

Originally Posted by Fallback The point is that people have every right to be offended. The fact that MANY people keyed in on the same phrase and were offended speaks volumes to validity and power of what was said no matter how subtle it came across. Its no laughing matter. And sweeping it under the rug as some suggest would not help to move forward. How can the sensibilities and opinions of listeners be "pointless" especially when its not just one of two people saying it. Open your mind. Expand your worldview to that other than your own. Cheapy just needs to speak on it, get that over with and then move forward. Its not the end of the world but it would be worse to act like nothing happened. The reality is that everyone has a moment like that at some time or another and as long as you can learn from it and grow its all good. And I agree the microsoft deals of the week have been pointless.

How about the many people that did not mention it in the posts? Cheapy can say whatever he wants. When one has an audience they will always be criticized on what they say and others will be and could be offended. In fact, I am offended that he thinks that Saints Row 2 is such a great game, how dare he suggest such a shitty game to an audience and make them waste their money. However, that is his opinion and he is more than welcome to suggest the game. If he wants to make a bad joke that is up to him. However, to come on and accuse him of being racist is going over the top. People are retarded and when they heard Cheapy's comment they say "Cheapy is racist....blah blah blah I'm an idiot and do not know what I am really saying"

Racism -

(Noun) [rey-siz-uhm]

1. A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. A policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


Stereotype -

(Noun) [ster-e-o-type]

1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.


I've been listening to the CAGcast for almost two years, from what I have heard both hosts have married outside their races. Neither of them spread or promote hate speech towards a specific race or group. I have heard the hosts stereotype before, mainly with consumers and purchasing habits but it is not in a negative spirit. I am not best buds with either of them, but I do not like it when someone comes up and accuses them of something they are not. Was it in bad taste for Cheapy to ask that question? To me no; however, I know that others may be offended by it and that does suck. Not everyone has a thick skin and why should someone be on tip toes when he is doing a show with his friend?

Cheapy will probably apologize, I believe he did it for the gay comment. Stereotypes have been made fun of in all sorts of media. For those who criticized Cheapy for his attempt are more than likely hyporcrites and have laughed at a stereotypical joke in another form of media. Cheapy was fishing for a joke that did not go over his way. If he edited the show than he might have caught that.

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I jsut purchased the Oblivion expansion pack for the Xbox 360. i have instaled the games onto my Xbox and now i feal as if i dont need the disk any more. i bought the game used so i can get all the money i paid for it back. what would you do in this instance? would you keep the disk knowing that all its going to do is collect dust but also know that you have just in case? or would you return the disk knowing that you have already installed the game and dont need the disk?

I caught the show for the first time and really enjoyed it. Quality stuff guys. Thanks.

I usually turn this off when I have to deal with a customer at work but a guy walked up to me to ask a question and I just stared trying to listen to both the showand him at the same time. "Huh? Wait what? Oh, one second sorry!" Didn't work, hope he didn't think I was to rude! Thaaaaanks Wombat for making me look and feel like a jerk lol.

Yeah your search bar sucks...
I tried to find gameroomdeals nothing
so I searched for User: tman
tmans profile came up when I clicked on it it says Tman has no blogs yet.
Need to put some work into this one guys

Podcast this week? Y/N?