Joseph Smith was called a prophet. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZQ5TgFRac

Poor guy got muted. :(

What's the point of arguing with anyone who doesn't believe in the principle of equality. Anyone who believes their race, sex, religion, gender, sexuality is better is simply a terrible person.

A phobia is actually an irrational and unexplainable fear of something. It's a type of anxiety..

Originally Posted by Magus8472 I see people do this sort of thing all the time, and I just have to ask. Do you not understand the inherent rhetorical problem in combining mocking derision of religion with grand statements about universal rights? Whose mind do you think you're changing with a statement like this? Moreover, do you realize how much easier it is to agree with your opposition when you sound like this?

I think your a ing bigot, and that there's probably no changing your mind. So I think a statement like this sort of doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by dubbfoolio I think your a ing bigot, and that there's probably no changing your mind. So I think a statement like this sort of doesn't matter.

What have I said that was bigoted?

Originally Posted by Magus8472 What have I said that was bigoted?

sorry, I apologize. let me restate that. I think anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, and you have not specified where you stand on this issue. I just get so pissed about this argument because there shouldn't be anything to argue about.

I see no difference in the question of should gay people be allowed to be married than should black people be allowed to be married. I think we should strive for a government that see us all as equals, and rights should be the same for all people who are doing no harm to others. And I wish people would vote accordingly regardless of their own personal moral decisions.

I respect religious people who choose to spread their moral code through their own example. I despise religious people that try to impose their will on others.

Originally Posted by dubbfoolio sorry, I apologize. let me restate that. I think anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, and you have not specified where you stand on this issue. I just get so pissed about this argument because there shouldn't be anything to argue about.

It's not a problem. I support gay marriage as well; I was trying to make a point about how adopting an insulting and/or sardonic tone makes you really, really easy to marginalize, particularly when your opposition doesn't. The point isn't to convince the person you're arguing against; they have their mind made up, so it's probably not going to happen. Rather, you need to think about the uncertain or indifferent members of the audience.

EDIT: And yeah, what Coffee said too.

dubbfoolio, you need to calm the down, brah.

Originally Posted by CoffeeEdge dubbfoolio, you need to calm the down, brah.

I'm not going to lie, this issue obviously infuriates me.

The intolerance and selfishness of people just completely appalls me. I don't think we need to tip toe around the issue, this is bigotry. I think we should be angry and I don't see the point in having debates with bigots. The whole argument that gay people are unfit parents is moot, because people, everyone, should be allowed to make their own decisions.

I wish all the rights and implications of marriage could be stripped from government completely, so the Christians could keep their "religious institution", but the fact of the matter is that married people are afforded many advantages, and you have to make these advantages available to everyone.

Religious people tend to be homophobic. Just as they tend to want to persecute anyone who doesn't share their views. Not making babies means you aren't creating more followers for your god of choice. Infertility and contraception are as equally bad as homosexuality in their eyes.

Originally Posted by sanderdaniels81 However, as a religious person myself, I believe marriage is a union created by God to be between a man and a woman - and the fact that such a union, when carried out properly (with proper treatment of spouse and children) creates a safe environment for the continuance of the human species tells me that it's a good thing.

You and your religion have absolutely no right defining any terms whatsoever. Get your religion out of your politics. They have absolutely no place in politics (or anything). If a man and a man love each other, they have every right to be married. Get the over yourself.

Originally Posted by dubbfoolio I'm not going to lie, this issue obviously infuriates me. The intolerance and selfishness of people just completely appalls me. I don't think we need to tip toe around the issue, this is bigotry. I think we should be angry and I don't see the point in having debates with bigots. The whole argument that gay people are unfit parents is moot, because people, everyone, should be allowed to make their own decisions. I wish all the rights and implications of marriage could be stripped from government completely, so the Christians could keep their "religious institution", but the fact of the matter is that married people are afforded many advantages, and you have to make these advantages available to everyone.

I agree 100%, only anything relating to religion infuriates me.

to dubbfoolio - i understand that you might be infuriated by the apparent irrationality of certain people in the world, but stop for a moment and think. in regards to this thread, the Mormon community as a whole is opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality. do you think the entire Mormon community consists of nobody but idiots? i'm sure a good percentage of them are well meaning, intelligent people. so why do they hold steadfastly to their beliefs? to get to the crux of the matter and to form an agreeable solution requires careful consideration and diplomacy, not "you're a ing idiot; you."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verstehen

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Originally Posted by blaked569 to dubbfoolio - i understand that you might be infuriated by the apparent irrationality of certain people in the world, but stop for a moment and think. in regards to this thread, the Mormon community as a whole is opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality. do you think the entire Mormon community consists of nobody but idiots? i'm sure a good percentage of them are well meaning, intelligent people. so why do they hold steadfastly to their beliefs? to get to the crux of the matter and to form an agreeable solution requires careful consideration and diplomacy, not "you're a ing idiot; you." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verstehen

I'm not trying to single out mormons. I've lived with a mormon who was one of the biggest pricks I've ever met in my entire life. I took a guitar class with a mormon guy who was one of the kindest, coolest people I've ever met. I think mormons are people, I think we are all people, but I find the mromon organization (and most western religion) in itself to be somewhat self serving to a degree of intolerance. And I don't like what it's done to the political landscape of the country.

I wish church and state were ACTUALLY seperated.

Originally Posted by PhrostByte I wish church and state were ACTUALLY seperated.

They're not because Christians throughout the history of our nation have implemented religion into government as it was convenient to them. And now that it's there I think they lose their rights to maintain that marriage is solely a religious institution. Churches don't need to recognize gay marriage. Government does.

Originally Posted by dubbfoolio I'm not trying to single out mormons. I've lived with a mormon who was one of the biggest pricks I've ever met in my entire life. I took a guitar class with a mormon guy who was one of the kindest, coolest people I've ever met. I think mormons are people, I think we are all people, but I find the mromon organization (and most western religion) in itself to be somewhat self serving to a degree of intolerance. And I don't like what it's done to the political landscape of the country.

you didn't read anything i wrote. you don't take in anything that anyone tells you. you blindly plow forward with a blatant disregard of responsibility not only to yourself, but to others. and in that regard, you're no better than those you condemn.

blake brought Max Weber all up in this shit.

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