Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: Couture by Decision
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick by D
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: Kang hopefully by Hendo
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Hope Brown KO but will probably be Wilks by sub
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Pearson by Decision

Originally Posted by Kuroi Kaze i'm typically against stand-ups, but shields has devised a new tactic that is almost an unbeatable stall. also the follow-up punches to downed rogers didn't really connect or do any damage. i think this sport is RIFE with early stoppages. if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. many fighters (give the chance) have come back from "fetal" position and went to the next round. rogers wasn't given any chance to pull himself together. man i can't believe his coaches haven't correct his hands-dropping habit. pathetic.

Originally Posted by docvinh I actually agree with you here. No doubt that was a killer punch, but he did look like he was trying to defend himself after he hit the mat. Now I'm not saying that he would have beat Fedor, but he should have at least gotten the chance to get back up and get knocked down again. I actually went to the fight, it was pretty boring except for one or two matches. That and it was actually close to 30 miles outside of Chicago, even though it was supposedly in Chicago.

let me ask you 2 guys a question. have you ever been in a fight where you were trying to KO someone? and gotten KOed?

because unless you've actually been KOed you have no idea what you're talking about. saying something like "if the guy's legs don't go straight he ain't out. " is RIDICULOUS! That has nothing to do w/ being in la-la land. that has to do w/ the brain going haywire because it's bouncing off the skull.

My freshman year in college we had to watch the prof do a vivisection; (it was gross), but he essentially KOs the rat w/ blunt force trauma (so it wont feel what comes next).
What came next was he stuck a needle into a rats brain and scrambled it, so it loses all consciousness & cant feel pain. it's legs and arms go haywire when he does this, but not when it gets knocked unconscious. (this was all so it could be opened up and it's heart observed pumping btw).

It's not even close to true. A KO is when some1 is rendered unconscious and unable to defend themselves intelligently. Curling up in the fetal position w/ your eyes closed is not defending yourself intelligently. Rogers was out on his feet, watch how he hits the canvas, totally limp w/ his head bouncing off the canvas. That is a KO, no doubt about it.

If the ref had the same standards as you most of the fighters KOed would have concussions after the fight.

edit: ok i didn't mean for that to come off as mean spirited. i just get excited about MMA

Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera: 50/50 Couture by GNP or Vera via leg kicks.
Mike Swick vs Dan Hardy: Swick via KO or swickatine
Denis Kang vs Michael Bisping: No idea, it will probably go to decision. Leaning towards kang via sub.
James Wilks vs Matt Brown: Wilks via knees i think.
Ross Pearson vs Aaron Riley: Pearson via war

Paul Taylor vs. John Hathaway: Hathaway via TKO
Terry Etim vs. Shannon Gugerty: if Gugerty can get it to the ground he'll win via sub, otherwise Etim will win on the feet.
Paul Kelly vs. Dennis Siver: Silver via standup war
Andre Winner vs. Roli Delgado: Winner via decision
Matt Riddle vs. Nick Osipczak: Riddle via GNP
Alexander Gustafsson vs. Jared Hamman: no idea, but some1s getting KOed!

http://www.blogtv.com/people/arianpourrastegar UFC 105 is live now.

Wow, nice showing from Bisping! He looked like a broken fighter in the first round, but he somehow dug deep and remembered how to fight again. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep that killer instinct and intensity going into his next fight.

Yeah seriously Bisping vs Kang was quite the match. The crowd went crazy every time Bisping went back into guard in round 1. Kang was trying to mount too much. Then the dominance in round 2 by Bisping was surprising. The commentary was ridiculous, they had a hard on for Bisping.

Btw all the matches beforehand were full of flying knees. It was like a bunch of Sagats fighting.

Damn, Dan Hardy's got crazy power. I was really pulling for Swick in that one, but he got rocked numerous times. I guess it doesn't really matter though because even though Swick wasn't able to take Hardy down, I can promise you GSP will. I don't know how Mike Swick always looks like the smaller fighter, no matter what weight class he's in. He's only an inch taller than Hardy, but he always looks so damn skinny.

What... I thought Vera won. Randy held him against the cage the whole time.

Well, chalk up another "victory by holding". Don't get me wrong. Randy did exactly what he had to do to win the fight, but I just feel like this is all he's got left. He's not an exciting fighter anymore and his career is hanging by a thread. I don't see him getting far in the LH division at all. Dana better get his "Chuck Liddell Retirement Speech" ready.

EDIT - Wow, Joe Rogan even said he thought Vera should have won and that there's a serious judging problem in MMA. I think Joe's getting tired of wrestlers just getting the benefit of the doubt for having "dominant position" all the time. And he's like Randy's biggest fan, so that's really saying something.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Well, chalk up another "victory by holding". Don't get me wrong. Randy did exactly what he had to do to win the fight, but I just feel like this is all he's got left. He's not an exciting fighter anymore and his career is hanging by a thread. I don't see him getting far in the LH division at all. Dana better get his "Chuck Liddell Retirement Speech" ready.

Wasn't the Nog v Randy fight good? Exciting? I thought it was a hellva match (that one not this one since I haven't seen it yet...but now not sure I want to watch them)

Originally Posted by joshnorm Wasn't the Nog v Randy fight good? Exciting? I thought it was a hellva match (that one not this one since I haven't seen it yet...but now not sure I want to watch them)

And who won that fight? Is the extent of your argument that Randy is a good gatekeeper? Really? I'm just saying, he was BARELY able to handle Vera. Vera knocked him down once, took him down once, and landed several brutal body kicks. The extent of Randy's "dominance" was holding him against the cage. I'm a big believer in the "controlling the fight" argument, but you still have to draw the line somewhere.

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Extremely OTT, but I got Pacquio via 11th rnd KO or UD over Cotto.

MMA judging desperately needs an overhaul. "Octagon control" is such a meaningless criteria in my mind. How about damage and effort to finish the fight? The UFC is a wrestler's dream organization.

Originally Posted by One4Deuce MMA judging desperately needs an overhaul. "Octagon control" is such a meaningless criteria in my mind. How about damage and effort to finish the fight? The UFC is a wrestler's dream organization.

it really is. i think thats why you see a lot of fighters that come from other organizations struggle.
i thought randy won the first on control as there wasnt anything else to judge. the second i thought vera certainly won and i thought the 3rd was close until the vera takedown which i thought won it for vera.

tough loss for vera but outside the werdum fight i think all his losses could have gone the other way.
he looked good in this fight, i think he was a bit tentative in letting his hands and legs go because of being held against the cage for the whole round.

Originally Posted by seen Extremely OTT, but I got Pacquio via 11th rnd KO or UD over Cotto.

Man this was a great fight! I'm sure some of the fighters in the UFC bought this on ppv.

Originally Posted by One4Deuce MMA judging desperately needs an overhaul. "Octagon control" is such a meaningless criteria in my mind. How about damage and effort to finish the fight? The UFC is a wrestler's dream organization.

The "Octagon/ring control" is a boxing rule which they took, and really doesn't apply in MMA; I agree that they should toss that rule out and add "effort to finish your opponent from a dominant position".

Originally Posted by seen Extremely OTT, but I got Pacquio via 11th rnd KO or UD over Cotto.

You were close man. Cotto lost his chances after the second knockdown. There was nothing he could do but to run away. Manny is unstoppable. Even though Mayweather and Pac-man's speeds are similar, Manny can land those insanely angled punches. Mayweather vs Pacquiao will be a great fight... just because it'll be Mayweather's first loss and it'll shut him up about claiming to be #1 P4P.

Damn, that sucks for Brock.

http://tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=298377

MANCHESTER - UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar is seriously ill in hospital after collapsing in Canada, UFC president Dana White said Saturday. "He's in rough shape, he's in really bad shape," White said Saturday after UFC 105. "He is not well and he is not getting any better. . . . He's very, very sick and he's going to be out for a while. He's got a lot of problems." Citing mononucleosis, the 32-year-old Lesnar was forced to postpone a title fight against Shane Carwin scheduled for UFC 106 on Nov. 21 in Las Vegas. The fight was pushed back to UFC 108 on Jan. 2, but that too has been postponed. "He's got mono and he's got something else wrong with him. I know what's wrong with him, he just doesn't want me talking about it," White said. "He doesn't have cancer or AIDS or anything like this, (but) he's got some problems, man." White said Lesnar was currently in a hospital in North Dakota. The six-foot-three, 265-pounder owns property in Canada, White added. "He dropped up there and had to go to hospital," White said. He said Lesnar may have to go to the Mayo Clinic or another top hospital "to figure out what's wrong with this guy." "He's not going to be getting well any time soon," White said

Holy crap, Manny Pacquiao is The Juggernaut. I honestly thought Cotto's power would have played more of a factor, but Pacquiao seemingly killed his will to fight shortly after the second down.

Pacquiao-Mayweather prints money the second it's announced.

I'll say for when it happens Pacquiao UD over Floyd (TKO rnd 12 possible too). As Jim Lampley said, Manny deserves half of the take so it shouldn't be a tough negotiation. Did anyone else notice the cheesing Emanuel Stewart?

Wow, terrible news about Brock. That really sucks. Hopefully they're able to figure out what's going on and get him some treatment. Nog is out of 108, too, with a staph infection.