http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022102915.html

Above all, Obama is trying to force Republicans to put their own health-care ideas on the table. On Monday, he's posting his own proposal, which will draw on the bills passed by the Senate and the House. Suddenly, the debate is no longer just about the flaws, real and imagined, in Democratic proposals. It becomes a choice between what the Democrats want to do and what the Republicans want to do. That's a fair fight.
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To say that the one legitimate way to pass bills is to get a lot of Republicans to vote for them is to insist that election results don't matter and that only conservative legislation will ever get through Congress. All the Republicans have to do is be stubborn and yell a lot about being "excluded."

lol... Canada has the BESTEST HEALTH CARE EVER!!!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...Yz_6_b-gsGGDxA

Lol, you should read the third link in that article Bob.

Hell, I'll make it easy, here it is: http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/23/c...liams-surgery/

"Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada."

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We've already discussed Danny Millions in this thread.

I just find it amusing that a wealthy, well to do Canidian chooses to have major health care done in the US - and pay for it himself. I also like the part where he's concerned he might be "perceived as jumping a line or a wait list" - I mean, that's just crazy talk! There are no lines in Canada! There are no lines in Canada and the streets are paved with cheese! There are no lines in Canada, so set your mind at ease!

There are going to be lines, there are lines here (or do you think every doctor here is just sitting around waiting for somebody to come and no more than 1 person ever wants care from the same doctor at the same time). The issue is whether or not they affect people's health.

You spent a lot of time putting together a couplet when you could have read more than one article on Danny Millions and coming to a conclusion.

One dude? That's the same mentality that sees snow outside one day and claims global warming must be false.

Originally Posted by mykevermin You spent a lot of time putting together a couplet when you could have read more than one article on Danny Millions and coming to a conclusion. One dude? That's the same mentality that sees snow outside one day and claims global warming must be false.

Umm... I didn't really put that together... It's really not an original work by any means. Replace "Canada" with "America" and "lines" with "cats" and perhaps it'll come back to you.

And, for the record, I even read Spaz's article - including the comments. Fun times.

PS: Love the "Danny Millions". Nothing like throwing a little wealth envy and name fudging around. Oh, look, it's Bill Gate$! And Steve No-need-for-a-Jobs! Comeon everyone, let's go watch some Faux News! About as mature and awesome as "OwlGore"

Why do you bring up his case, then? Are you or are you not indicting the Canadian system? Are you or are you not bolstering the US system? Specifically, what do you find this lone case indicts or bolsters?

Might as well bring up Brock Lesnar's case. He was in a canadian hospital that took three days to get a replacement part for a machine. OMG Canadian health care in the entire nation is totally ed and everyone dies and no one gets help!

*sigh*

I brought up his case because it had some interesting aspects to it. I like that he's a rather smart guy who made the fully informed decision that it was better for him to pay for his health care so that he could be assured to get the quality he wanted rather than let the government pay for it and get whatever they felt was best.

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right.

because he didn't have access to the same procedure in Canada. Wait, that's not right.

because he had to wait in line. Wait, that's not right.

because he had another procedure recommended. Well, that's right, but that doesn't mean he could not have gotten the less invasive procedure done there.

because the United States developed and perfected this procedure. Wait, that's not right. It was Canada.

What's so "fully-informed" about the decision? What makes it the "best" decision? What makes it a "better" decision? You're risking a tautology here. Is it the best inherently because he chose it or did he chose it because it is the best?

Select and defend your response.

When did he consult the government about what they thought was best? I'm pretty sure he was talking to doctors.

No, they held a gun to his head. And told him he was just getting half a bottle of expired "Triaminic."

And it wasn't even the orange flavour.

Originally Posted by mykevermin right. because he didn't have access to the same procedure in Canada. Wait, that's not right. because he had to wait in line. Wait, that's not right. because he had another procedure recommended. Well, that's right, but that doesn't mean he could not have gotten the less invasive procedure done there. because the United States developed and perfected this procedure. Wait, that's not right. It was Canada. What's so "fully-informed" about the decision? What makes it the "best" decision? What makes it a "better" decision? You're risking a tautology here. Is it the best inherently because he chose it or did he chose it because it is the best? Select and defend your response.

You're right. I bet he risked his life and political career just because he wanted some Miami sunshine. Can say I blamed him... All those Canadians living in igloos.

So you're going with the tautology?

Originally Posted by UncleBob You're right. I bet he risked his life and political career just because he wanted some Miami sunshine. Can say I blamed him... All those Canadians living in igloos.

He is an incredibly popular politician in his province who has built his career - and a sort of really, really wimpy personality cult - on pissing off other parts of the country.

I don't think he's all that worried.

Weiner Offends The GOP On House Floor: You’re All ‘Owned’ By The ‘Insurance Industry’! »

Today, the House of Representatives debated the Health Insurance Industry Fair Competition Act, legislation that would repeal the 65 year exemption health insurance companies have from anti-trust regulations.
Speaking on the House floor this afternoon, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) lambasted Republicans for being “a wholly owned subsidiary of an insurance industry,” prompting an offended Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA) to lodge a complaint:

WEINER: You guys have chutzpah. The Republican Party is the wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry. They say this isn’t going to do enough, but when we propose an alternative to provide competition, they’re against it. They say we want to strengthen state insurance commissioners and they’ll do the job. But when we did that in our national health care bill, they said we’re against it. They said we want to have competition but when we proposed requiring competition they’re against it. They’re a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry. That’s the fact!
LUNGREN: Mr. Speaker I ask that the gentleman’s words be taken down.
WEINER: You really don’t want to go there, Mr. Lungren.

A minute later, Weiner returned to the floor and withdrew his words, and then substituted them by clarifying, “Make no mistake about it, every single Republican I have ever met in my entire life is a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry!”
Lungren once again immediately demanded that Weiner’s words be taken down. Weiner once more finally returned to the floor to withdraw his words, and ended his statement by saying that he has had “enough of the phoniness. We are gonna solve this problem because for years our Republican friends have been unable to and unwilling to.

Deal with it

!” His colleagues applauded his remarks.



Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOQ2GEGm3v0

At the end of the debate, the House voted 406-19 to repeal the insurers’ long-held exemption from anti-trust laws.

Good for Weiner although I am not particularly proud of Democrats for only being the Insurance Companies whores on weekends.

At the end of the debate, the House voted 406-19 to repeal the insurers’ long-held exemption from anti-trust laws.

Watch this die in the Senate.

Originally Posted by IRHari Weiner Offends The GOP On House Floor: You’re All ‘Owned’ By The ‘Insurance Industry’! » Today, the House of Representatives debated the Health Insurance Industry Fair Competition Act, legislation that would repeal the 65 year exemption health insurance companies have from anti-trust regulations. Speaking on the House floor this afternoon, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) lambasted Republicans for being “a wholly owned subsidiary of an insurance industry,” prompting an offended Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA) to lodge a complaint: WEINER: You guys have chutzpah. The Republican Party is the wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry. They say this isn’t going to do enough, but when we propose an alternative to provide competition, they’re against it. They say we want to strengthen state insurance commissioners and they’ll do the job. But when we did that in our national health care bill, they said we’re against it. They said we want to have competition but when we proposed requiring competition they’re against it. They’re a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry. That’s the fact! LUNGREN: Mr. Speaker I ask that the gentleman’s words be taken down. WEINER: You really don’t want to go there, Mr. Lungren. A minute later, Weiner returned to the floor and withdrew his words, and then substituted them by clarifying, “Make no mistake about it, every single Republican I have ever met in my entire life is a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry!” Lungren once again immediately demanded that Weiner’s words be taken down. Weiner once more finally returned to the floor to withdraw his words, and ended his statement by saying that he has had “enough of the phoniness. We are gonna solve this problem because for years our Republican friends have been unable to and unwilling to. !” His colleagues applauded his remarks. Watch it: At the end of the debate, the House voted 406-19 to repeal the insurers’ long-held exemption from anti-trust laws.

I guess that makes Democrats only mostly-owned subsidiaries:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/Health_Insurance.asp