What a load of fear mongering crap. HE LOOKS ILLEGAL *hides under blanket*

They interviewed the governor immediately after she signed it and asked her what law enforcement should be looking for to make the determination of whether or not to ask. Her answer was she did not know.

Lovely.

Originally Posted by speedracer They interviewed the governor immediately after she signed it and asked her what law enforcement should be looking for to make the determination of whether or not to ask. Her answer was she did not know. Lovely.

Of course, because there is no right answer. Some cops will exercise this right properly while others will use to profile and discriminate for fun.

Hoo boy. I'm sure glad some of you asked for this, Arizona. I'll remember it when all your businesses are pissing and moaning about their cheap labor drying up. Then you can all hire snotty high schoolers who think they should be running the joint.

So, enjoy all of that.

Arizona: We were the first to outlaw Speedy Gonzales cartoons.

/knows Texas is probably going to foam at the mouth on this next. Sigh.

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Well what the hell can you use to even do it properly? Unless you're actually at the border watching somebody jump the fence you don't have much to go off of.

I guess asking anybody loitering around the home depot?

Originally Posted by SpazX Well what the hell can you use to even do it properly? Unless you're actually at the border watching somebody jump the fence you don't have much to go off of. I guess asking anybody loitering around the home depot?

What you suggest would be acceptable I think. Or if you pull over someone for a traffic violation and see they have no driving license or proof of insurance. "You're brown, and you have neither so I'm going to have to see your proof of citizenship!"

But the bill is ridiculous and you are right. There is no way of checking without it being some kind of assumption unless there is a "Proud to Be an Illegal Citizen" parade. Then I think you would be justified in asking for papers.

In Arizona, racism is tradition. This seems appropriate enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeXGv9QLRc

Originally Posted by mykevermin If you support the underlying notion, what part of the policy's practice or implementation do you disagree with?

First off, let me say that, surprisingly, I'm not so much against just opening the borders. There needs to be some fixes (for example, we need to move away from an income-based tax to a consumption-based tax) so that even if someone is in the country illegally for free health care or education or such, they're still supporting the system instead of just leeching off of it. Additionally, laws need to be adjusted in such a way to stop giving some illegal immigrants an advantage. For example, there are cases where (non-violent) criminals go to jail or face fines for their actions. Illegal immigrants sometimes get picked up by INS and get a free ride back home, where they just sneak back in next week *or* they fight the deportation and get to hang around for a few months (sometimes, skipping out and moving to a different town).

But, alas, that's not how we're currently set up. With the current system, I don't - at all - mind the idea of state and local law enforcement being given the ability to enforce federal laws.

The problem with this particular piece of legislation, as someone else pointed out, is the "Papers, please." mentality that it *could* foster. There needs to be a strict set of guidelines for when an official can ask for a citizen to produce personal paperwork - otherwise, it's too close to an unwarranted search for my tastes. I mean, hell, it's not like *I* carry proof of citizenship with me at all times. The idea of an officer being "suspicious" being enough cause to warrant such a demand just doesn't jive well with me.

Originally Posted by Sc4rfac3 This will not end well

"Can I see your drivers license?"

"Here ya go."

"Thanks, have a good day."

Originally Posted by perdition(troy "Can I see your drivers license?" "Here ya go." "Thanks, have a good day."

Remember how California was going to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses? I was kind of hoping that it was a secret plan to stamp out illegal immigration, but it was probably just standard California assbackwardsness.

So long as they did it to absolutely everyone i guess that could work somewhat, but we all know they aren't doing that.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy "Can I see your drivers license?" "Here ya go." "Thanks, have a good day."

Except for the fact that proof of citizenship can only be verified by a birth certificate or passport.

Given that the police can now impound cars found to be harboring non-American citizens, how easy do you think it will be for a latino to get a cab in Arizona?

I wonder if this law applies to the illegal Canadians in our state.

We know what illegal Mexicans look like. What do illegal Canadians look like?

....this will encourage (edit:stronger) racial profiling, mainly if not exclusively to Hispanics.

Originally Posted by Friend of Sonic I wonder if this law applies to the illegal Canadians in our state.

Only if they look like a Subesh or Kumar.

Originally Posted by IRHari We know what illegal Mexicans look like. What do illegal Canadians look like?

Lumberjacks and mounties, duh. But as the Canadians are a deceptive people it's not wise to try to out them by appearance alone. Canadians are masters of disguise, so the real way to catch an illegal Canadian is to listen for the "aboot."

Originally Posted by IRHari What do illegal Canadians look like?

Pallid.

Hey, trolls in Arizona! Got someone you hate? Get an illegal immigrant to squat in their car! Bend the law to your own personal malevolent whims!

Originally Posted by perdition(troy "Can I see your drivers license?" "Here ya go." "Thanks, have a good day."

It's pretty much like buying cigarettes.