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Originally Posted by jkanownik I didn't like Heavy Rain and am passionate about it because I wanted to like the game. I haven't been more disappointed in an entertainment experience outside of the Transformers 2 movie. It was made worse by the fact that the game was so engaging and showed so much potential in the first few hours. I have no problem with people saying they love Heavy Rain as a game. There's a lot to like and if the story doesn't bother you I completely understand the love. It's when they defend the plot holes and laud the story as being mature thematically that I take issue. Having mature content is not the same as a mature theme. The story and theme are on par with a Saw movie or Phantasmagoria.

I think you missed the point of the post if you're telling me why you didn't like it.

I'm not challenging anybody's opinion, just saying there's no need to be a douche about it no matter what side of the fence you're on.

:O friskyyanuka gets a shout out on like every cagcast... just agree with him!! :P

wheres my new cagcast... need it!

Originally Posted by MethodManFTW :O friskyyanuka gets a shout out on like every cagcast... just agree with him!! :P wheres my new cagcast... need it!

this is from cheapys twitter
"It's Golden Week time in Japan, which means CAGcast schedule is screwy. Look for the next show either on Friday or Monday."

Well, it's quite tough to tell whether the $5000 was worth it. On one hand, Gizmodo is still getting publicity from late-comers like the Daily Show. On the other hand, police obtained a search warrant and raided the Gizmodo blogger's house, and supposedly Apple tracked down and paid a visit to the guy who sold the phone.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...-ken-blackwell
http://gizmodo.com/5525388/the-inves...missing-iphone

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki I think you missed the point of the post if you're telling me why you didn't like it.

I didn't miss the point of your post. I explained why I was so passionate about my dislike and pointed out that most anti-Heavy Rain people I've encountered (including myself) do not question why other people like it. We question why they defend a story that is so obviously flawed. I should also add that David Cage comes off as a major douche. The man talked shit about the story of other games and then tried to defend a plot device as a MacGuffin but he completely misunderstood the meaning of the term.

You can love something and still admit to its flaws. Saints Row is one of my favorite games but I still realize that you could spend a full day pointing out all of the problems it has. If I tried to argue that the graphics were awesome or that there aren't any glitches I would be wrong. One's enjoyment of Saints Row comes from how much you enjoy its gameplay and how easily you can overlook its flaws.

Here's a perfect example of a comment from someone that loved Heavy Rain that illustrates what I'm talking about:

You know, I love Heavy Rain and even Indigo Prophecy, despite their obvious flaws, but David Cage seriously doesn't know what he's talking about. He cuts on the game industry for having bad writing, overly cartoonish characters, and not being in the same league with the movie industry. So he makes games which he believes are brilliant, but they end up being even MORE stupid and ridiculous and badly written than what's already out there! I get the sense that Cage doesn't even really play or know much about video games. Because if he did, he'd know that there is a lot of stuff out there and it isn't all Gears of War and Grand Theft Auto. There's so many game I've played that have better voice acting, plots, character development, and are more believable and reasonable than Heavy Rain. These games don't just suddenly forget about a major plot point, and put you in the shoes of the villain, and be able to LISTEN TO HIS THOUGHTS, yet he still apparently lies to himself and doesn't accidentally think "Hm, I need to murder a kid today" just because it made it easier to fit into the game. Ugh. i shouldn't even really care, because I DO love Heavy Rain. But I just don't like people like Cage who are up their own asses and criticizes others, despite having enormous, huge, gaping problems of their own.

CheapyD when talking about Dexter: "I dont want to watch something where a guy is on a surgery table getting cut open with a scalpel. I'll just watch Robocop" (not exact words but close enough)

Man what?

Robocop 2: Scene with a fully conscious police officer on a table getting cut open with a scalpel.

G4tv.com's video podcast finally talked about Deadly Premonition, naming it Game of the Week. How long ago was it you guys talked about that on the CAGcast?

Holy crap the image of Cheapy's back hair seaweed/kelp infestation in the pool almost made me lose my lunch. As well as several lunches in the future.

Originally Posted by syd411 Holy crap the image of Cheapy's back hair seaweed/kelp infestation in the pool almost made me lose my lunch. As well as several lunches in the future.

Wait...is there an actual image of this or did you mean the mental image?

Cuz if there's a picture I wanna see it.

Originally Posted by jkanownik I didn't miss the point of your post. I explained why I was so passionate about my dislike and pointed out that most anti-Heavy Rain people I've encountered (including myself) do not question why other people like it. We question why they defend a story that is so obviously flawed. I should also add that David Cage comes off as a major douche. The man talked shit about the story of other games and then tried to defend a plot device as a MacGuffin but he completely misunderstood the meaning of the term. You can love something and still admit to its flaws. Saints Row is one of my favorite games but I still realize that you could spend a full day pointing out all of the problems it has. If I tried to argue that the graphics were awesome or that there aren't any glitches I would be wrong. One's enjoyment of Saints Row comes from how much you enjoy its gameplay and how easily you can overlook its flaws. Here's a perfect example of a comment from someone that loved Heavy Rain that illustrates what I'm talking about:

I'm not saying that everybody that doesn't like it acts like a dick either, but that there are people in generally that do that about any game. As long as you're respectful of those that like it and aren't trying to convince them of why they should think it's a bad game, then I wasn't talking about you. There's no reason to treat an opinion like a fact that everybody has to accept as the final say and change their opinions accordingly or else they're morons.

Originally Posted by TravistyOJ Maybe my perception of is attitude is just skewed by his terrible voice, but there's just something I don't like about it. I don't know, he just sounds like someone who needs to be punched.

So what your saying is that you wanna register the domain punchjustinmcelroy.com at godaddy?

My question is this: If Capcom paid all of these "journalist" to visit a less exotic location would there be any controversy? I think places like California and NYC would be just as much as a vacation for someone as Hawaii (I do admit, probably, most game journalist reside in CA and NYC). Isn't the problem more about the all expense paid trip, rather than the location?

Originally Posted by IIcon My question is this: If Capcom paid all of these "journalist" to visit a less exotic location would there be any controversy? I think places like California and NYC would be just as much as a vacation for someone as Hawaii (I do admit, probably, most game journalist reside in CA and NYC). Isn't the problem more about the all expense paid trip, rather than the location?

That's what I was thinking myself. I LIVE in Hawaii, and I can tell you from living here for 26 years all my life that the island is overrated by the rest of the world. If this was in any other part of the globe, would it have been as big a deal?

What if Captivate was in the Midwest where a majority of the game journalists don't live? What if flying them there costed the same amount of money? Would it still have been a big deal then?

I'm telling ya Cheapy, Hawaii's great, but it's not the golden paradise everyone makes it out to be. Maybe me living here for too long has made me immune to its "charms".