Originally Posted by CheapyD And you know that's his sister how exactly?

I had heard it on other podcasts and read it in the description.

If you hadn't had that knowledge I can see the game being not as good.

Like when you see her and then the maggot sends you the other way, You then go back and the area is not there. That part totally got me, but I cant imagine it being as good if you didn't know that was his sister.

Great show guys, I've got to sit on a riding mower for 7 hours a week and this always helps pass the time.

Wombat, I'm surprised you didn't call out the Sly Cooper collection for being too expensive. You can probably buy these games for the PS2 for $5 or less a piece. Granted you can't play them on the newer PS3's, but still.

Another great show guys, and thanks for answering my question. I'll decide whether or not Limbo gets my 1200 spacebucks after playing the trial.

Thanks for a great start to the weekend. Still loving Wombat's musical accompaniment during the commercials.

I agree with Shipwreck & Wombat that we shouldn't be supporting $15 3 hour games. I just think Limbo would have easily sold at least 33% more at $10...but what do I know

great show again, my friend says medal of honor beta is awesome and very different from bad company 2 but i don't believe him, hes a big fan boy, besides the multiplayer is being made by dice so it must be the same. Please consider me for winning one of the MOH beta codes, and keep up the great work!

Awesome show guys! I was also disappointed on how they change the ewok song at the end. I'm glad that you put the original song at the end of this show.

Originally Posted by firehawk12 To me, bargain bin games are the 1 dollar McDonald hamburgers of gaming. Either I've already played the games or they're the games no one would ever want to play anyway. Or how about this - why watch Inception when you can probably rent Batman Begins, Prestige and the Dark Knight for the same price? You can watch three Nolan movies for the price of one. Or why buy a 360 when you can buy a PS2 and probably 10-20 games for the same price? Why buy a new 50" TV when you can get several 20" TVs for the same price? Where do you draw the line on these kinds of comparisons? If you are comparing a new game to another new game in terms of "price", then maybe I would accept that argument, even if I think arguing based on price is rather silly - Limbo is 1/4 the price of Singularity, so is Limbo 1/4 as "good" as Singularity? - at least that argument is more apples to apples. I mean, I look for bargains just like everyone else who posts on CAG, but Wombat's price comparisons don't make any sense to me.

I'm not sure I'm understanding your argument here. I agree with every point you've made, but I come to a different conclusion. I hardly ever buy new games and never pay full price. The only time I ever buy new releases is for multiplayer games to play with my friends on a level playing field or single player games in a series where I want to experience the next part of the story. Otherwise, Bioshock will be the same if I buy it day 1 at $60 or years later at less than $20. Nearly every game will drop in price eventually, but outside of mutliplayer populations drying up, it will never drop in value.

Put me in for a MoH beta code! I can't wait to see it freeze....then die..

I really can't see myself spending $15 on Limbo, at $10 I'd probably bite, just not feeling it completely from the trial...

Would love an MoH beta key if any are left. Great show.

Good job guys (as usual). Throw me in the running for that beta code.

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Were people really that critical about Shipwreck's review of "Limbo"?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it and thought that it was a $15 well spent, but it seems like anytime someone slightly criticizes a game that could be used as a frontrunner in the "Games as Art" debate and doesn't hail it as a perfect specimen, they get shunned and thrown under the bus.

Which, let me be one to say, is a stupid debate in the first place. People are so focused on getting other people to accept their hobby as art that they forget to actually have fun. Who the hell really cares what other people think?

That's my opinion, anyway. You know, kind of like a review of something. Something you shouldn't be allowed to criticize someone for.

Good show so far.. gimme a code!

Originally Posted by encendido5 Wombat, I'm surprised you didn't call out the Sly Cooper collection for being too expensive. You can probably buy these games for the PS2 for $5 or less a piece. Granted you can't play them on the newer PS3's, but still.

It's the same price as the GoW collection, expect you get 3 games instead of 2.

Originally Posted by firehawk12 To me, bargain bin games are the 1 dollar McDonald hamburgers of gaming. Either I've already played the games or they're the games no one would ever want to play anyway. Or how about this - why watch Inception when you can probably rent Batman Begins, Prestige and the Dark Knight for the same price? You can watch three Nolan movies for the price of one. Or why buy a 360 when you can buy a PS2 and probably 10-20 games for the same price? Why buy a new 50" TV when you can get several 20" TVs for the same price? Where do you draw the line on these kinds of comparisons? If you are comparing a new game to another new game in terms of "price", then maybe I would accept that argument, even if I think arguing based on price is rather silly - Limbo is 1/4 the price of Singularity, so is Limbo 1/4 as "good" as Singularity? - at least that argument is more apples to apples. I mean, I look for bargains just like everyone else who posts on CAG, but Wombat's price comparisons don't make any sense to me.

That's a whole seperate issue, I feel. I disagree with the $60.00 price point as a standard. So I also disagree with XBLA price points being the same.

Take this example, DeathSpank is 1GB, Limbo is 300+MBs, yet both are $15.00. DeathSpank has a run time of 5-6 hours, Limbo has a run time of 3-4. So the question isn't why go see Inception over the Dark Knight, the question is, would you pay the same price to watch a 30 minute program as you would for a 90 minute one?

Wombat's argument that he could find and play ten games for the price of Limbo is exaggerated, but you could buy two or three games for that price. Right now, on Amazon, I could pick up PGR4 and Skate for a dollar less than Limbo. Maybe you've beaten them, but I haven't, so why pay for a three hour experience when I can play other full retail games for the same price?

In the end, however, it's about personal preference. If Limbo is worth $15.00 to you, cool. It's your money. To me, it isn't, and that's my choice.

Originally Posted by Jackhole85 I just listened to the part about Limbo. And there actually is a story to it, he's looking for his sister. And while that may not be very deep, I think a plumber looking for a princess that got taken by turtles isn't very deep either. http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/ga...0-0000584109d1 It says so in the game description

Originally Posted by FecesBreath Took the words right out of my fingers. You have to read CheapyD!

So, basically what you are saying is..the game has a "story", it's just not in the game. I'm pretty sure that doesn't count.

Originally Posted by CheapyD So, basically what you are saying is..the game has a "story", it's just not in the game. I'm pretty sure that doesn't count.

Not to play Devil's Advocate, but in the Atari/NES/Genesis era, you had to read the manual for the story. I'm pretty sure it counts.

Edit: Of course, to jump back into my previous discussion. That begs the question, why does Limbo need to be $15.00. DeathSpank has more art assets, voice actors, dialogue writers, music, etc. Limbo has no dialogue, no voice acting, black on white art, and minimal music. How can one's development cost be low enough that $15.00 can turn a profit and the other have less expenses, and still need to charge $15.00.

another nice time killer show.

I'm guessing you guys don't ebay or trade in games (other other items for that mater). I'm sure a bunch of CAGs would like to buy up some old games that you might consider crap. maybe even run a CAG charity event or something and you guys can sign games that sell (or just a piece of paper since some don't like writing on games). same goes for accessories and other stuff (example Wombat mentioning 5 xbox 360 controllers)

like previous shows, I found it annoying how much cheapy brings up Apple. I'm sure you could get in contact with Steve Jobs, though there might be a blow job wait list.

it would be interesting if shipwreck ever decides to post some spreadsheets/charts/etc for games.

and a question when you write reviews, do you have to run it by the publisher (or whatever company handles the marketing)?

Good show. Moh code?