Originally Posted by A Happy Panda Hockey players are as big as linebackers? What planet are you living on right now? I don't recall a lot of 250 pound defense men in the NHL. I also don't recall 220 pound hockey players getting demolished by guys who can weigh more than 100 pounds more than them like in football. Great. Hockey allows fighting...and? Two guys grab each other's jerseys and play grab ass for 30 seconds before refs come break it up. You really think that if the NHL actually thought for a second that their players could REALLY hurt each other during these fights, they'd let them keep doing it? The only thing I agree with here is the fact that these guys have skates and sticks, which can be very dangerous. I've seen the videos where guys get sliced by a skate, it's a legitimate danger. But Football? You're asked to literally fling your whole body weight as fast and as hard as you can at someone 40 - 50x a game.

You are correct. They are not the same weight as football players. They are just on skates that take a 200 lbs person around 25-30 mph i.e. faster than football players. Since this is a college football thread, I finish this discussion with a hit from last season. I haven't seen anything in football this past season that has been as hard hit as this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgMG9iLx4Qc

Originally Posted by mastersum1 USC lost in triple OT to Cal and won the Pac-10. Oklahoma got pounded (lost by 28 points) and didn't even win the Big 12. They should have never even been considered to play in the title game.

If the Big 12 followed the way the Pac 10 and Big 10 determines their champion, they would have won as they had the best record in the Big 12. But they play a championship game...

Originally Posted by lordopus99 If the Big 12 followed the way the Pac 10 and Big 10 determines their champion, they would have won as they had the best record in the Big 12. But they play a championship game...

Big 10 doesn't play a round robin schedule like the Pac-10 does. You can't say Oklahoma would've made the title game as they don't play everyone in their conference.

Originally Posted by MasterSun1 Big 10 doesn't play a round robin schedule like the Pac-10 does. You can't say Oklahoma would've made the title game as they don't play everyone in their conference.

Having to play one of the of the better teams in the conference at the end of the year (the pressure of staying undefeated) can cause teams to shake up i.e. Kansas St that year. Kansas St got beat by Texas 24-20; that same Texas team got destroyed by Oklahoma 65-13. The two teams Oklahoma didn't play from their conference that year were Kansas (6 losses i.e. non-factor) and Nebraska (another team that lost to Texas). What benefit is it to show the world you can beat up on Kansas, Washington, etc??? Showing me you can beat the best/2nd best team in crunch time i.e. end of year it shows miles better than winning them early on and walking into bowl season by smashing inferior opponents.

Originally Posted by lordopus99 Having to play one of the of the better teams in the conference at the end of the year (the pressure of staying undefeated) can cause teams to shake up i.e. Kansas St that year. Kansas St got beat by Texas 24-20; that same Texas team got destroyed by Oklahoma 65-13. The two teams Oklahoma didn't play from their conference that year were Kansas (6 losses i.e. non-factor) and Nebraska (another team that lost to Texas). What benefit is it to show the world you can beat up on Kansas, Washington, etc??? Showing me you can beat the best/2nd best team in crunch time i.e. end of year it shows miles better than winning them early on and walking into bowl season by smashing inferior opponents.

If we're playing "what ifs", then what if Oklahoma played Kansas State in the course of the regular season instead of the title game? Probably same result, Oklahoma getting smashed. If you beat a team once, you should be able to beat them again. There's no need to play a re-match (reason Ohio State and Michigan didn't play each other in the title game a few years back).

Winning your conference should be a requirement to even be considered for the title game. Oklahoma getting in that year was a sham and everyone knows it. Same with Nebraska in 2000.

Absurd that the Utah-TCU game is only on CBS-C. Thankfully I get that channel since I have the DirecTV sports pack. But you'd think ESPN or another network would have found a way to get the rights to that game, or ESPN would have moved it or the Bama-LSU game to primetime and shown in nationally etc.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Absurd that the Utah-TCU game is only on CBS-C. Thankfully I get that channel since I have the DirecTV sports pack. But you'd think ESPN or another network would have found a way to get the rights to that game, or ESPN would have moved it or the Bama-LSU game to primetime and shown in nationally etc.

Yeah its bullshit, second year in a row they have done this. I mean I am not a TCU fan, but I like to watch them play. I thought they showed MWC and Pac 10 games on Versus, looks at the upcoming games and they do show TCU playing new mexico, how lame.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Absurd that the Utah-TCU game is only on CBS-C. Thankfully I get that channel since I have the DirecTV sports pack. But you'd think ESPN or another network would have found a way to get the rights to that game, or ESPN would have moved it or the Bama-LSU game to primetime and shown in nationally etc.

CBS always uses their 3:30 slot for SEC games for their game of the week. You can blame the Mountain West for this game not showing. They left the ESPN deal for CBS. CBS has always been home for the SEC so the conference should have realized that it's big games weren't going to get played like they once had with ESPN and that they would be stuck to CBS-C and their MW network (i.e. limiting the amount of people seeing their games). I guess that is why Utah is leaving for Pac-10, BYU is going independent, and now there is rumor that TCU might join the Big East...

Sure, but CBS could have put this game in prime time if they wanted. No late game on CBS tonight--at least not in my region. Like I said, moot for me since I get CBS-C, but absurd that a match up of #3 and #5 in the BCS is on such a limited channel.

And yep, it seems like the expansion wave may be getting ready to go again. Rumors of TCU to the Big East--with Villanova moving up to D1 and UCF taking their place if they decide not to move up.

And some rumblings on message boards that all that might be the Big East trying to pre-emptively start surviving another ACC raid. I don't put much stock into these rumors yet, but the rumors are that WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and UCONN may be going to the ACC and ESPN offering to up the new TV contract to more than offset splitting money another 4 ways. But just board rumors on a few Big East and ACC team sites at this point, so take it with a HUGE grain of salt.

Despite always being a big fan of pro sports, I've never really been a big fan of the college game- football or basketball. I keep up with it, but I only watch games occasionally, usually when Illinois is on. But I'm glad I tuned in to Illinois vs. Michigan today.... incredible 1st half; tied 31-31.

Yeah, this Michigan game has been crazy. Ton of turnovers and big plays in the first half.

What a beat down by TCU

Yep. Guess this wasn't worthy of national TV.

And what a crazy game UM-Illinois was. 67-65 Michigan in 3OTs.

yeah pretty wild game.

And TCU wins 47-7. LSU knocks of Alabama, so Bama is out of the title hunt.

Hopefully Bama can beat Auburn so at least one of TCU/Boise will get in the title game.

TCU will be number 1 this week, but they will need oregon or auburn to loose for the title.

Originally Posted by fatmanforlife99 TCU will be number 1 this week, but they will need oregon or auburn to loose for the title.

Umm, no chance TCU jumps Oregon or Auburn. They'll remain #3 in the human polls, but might jump up to #1 or #2 in the computers. That's not good enough to reach #1 or #2 in the BCS.

TCU has to jump to at least 2. It's too hard to ignore a #3 team putting the smackdown on a #5 on the road.

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Originally Posted by MasterSun1 Umm, no chance TCU jumps Oregon or Auburn. They'll remain #3 in the human polls, but might jump up to #1 or #2 in the computers. That's not good enough to reach #1 or #2 in the BCS.

With all the debating you do in this thread you really have no common sense. Let me break it down for you.

TCU completely demolishes number five Utah, not by 21, 28 or 35, but 40 ing points. I don't care who you play on your schedule, you will jump from 3 to 1 everytime.

I like Oregon and Auburn, but beating an under 500 Washington and Chattanooga does not make them better this week. I am not saying it will stay this way, but they will be number one Sunday night. I know your going to say Utah was overrated, but that's not TCU's fault. The only people that will be voting Oregon and auburn this week are their home state and conference writers.


edit: Damn A&M, is not playing around

Margin of victory doesn't factor into any of the computer rankings though, so that's moot. And I doubt the human pollsters will jump them over Auburn or Oregon even with the beat down.

TCU will gain ground in the computers from strength of schedule since they beat the #5 team, while Auburn beat a lower division team and Oregon a bad BCS team. But probably not enough to make up the pretty big gap between them and Auburn in last weeks BCS points ranking.

Just the way it is, not saying that's how it should be.

Originally Posted by fatmanforlife99 With all the debating you do in this thread you really have no common sense. Let me break it down for you. TCU completely demolishes number five Utah, not by 21, 28 or 35, but 40 ing points. I don't care who you play on your schedule, you will jump from 3 to 1 everytime. I like Oregon and Auburn, but beating an under 500 Washington and Chattanooga does not make them better this week. I am not saying it will stay this way, but they will be number one Sunday night. I know your going to say Utah was overrated, but that's not TCU's fault. The only people that will be voting Oregon and auburn this week are their home state and conference writers.

We'll see who has no common sense when the polls are released tomorrow. TCU isn't going to jump to #1 or #2 in the human polls, especially since Oregon and Auburn won their games handily. TCU is a great team, but they exposed Utah as a above average team.