You know these weapons are of little use if you're not home right? Then they're stolen and used elsewhere, so there's more to the argument of keeping them at home. Not to mention most shootings are accidental when it's not locked properly.

I have a 12 gauge pump Mossberg(home defense-duck hunting gun), I have been thinking of getting a 40 cal semi-auto for a while, but have been holding off because I am thinking of just saving that cash and using towards the S&W 500. Now that gun is a beast. Also, about the guns getting stolen comment, that does happen frequently so if you are a collector BUY A SAFE! My friends boss in Madison has so many guns(in gun safes) that the Madison police department asked if he would turn over all his firing pins to them and then be able to pick them up at anytime he wants to use them. The dude has the best long range rifles that they make and also made a 6 gun AK-47 gatling gun, which is awesome!!! It is on a rotating crank handle incase anybody is wondering how he did it.

Originally Posted by mtxbass1 Zog, how do you like that pistol grip? I tried it on the Mossberg 500 and couldn't imagine firing off more than 1 shot like that...

The pistolgrip I have is the blackhawk knoxx pistol grip stock. It absorbs recoil. It's actually a significant improvement over a normal stock. I can shoot high velocity slugs and 00 buck with virtually no impact on my shoulder.

Originally Posted by lordopus99 Yes, criminals will attempt/get their hands on them. Being that they will be harder to obtain, you would have less wannabe thugs from low income areas who can't afford to then buy that product; things that are illegal always are sold for a premium. Less people owning = less gun committed crimes. Countries with gun laws/restrictions such as Japan and Canada have way less crime (by miles) that are committed from guns. It worked for them why can't it work for us or any other country similar to us... just stating. For you, it sounds like that but for others a lot use them for practicality and sport, whether good (hunting, skeet shooting, etc) or bad (robbery, shooting someone, etc). There are still a good chunk of people worldwide who live off the land.

Yes, there are also laws where gun control has failed for various reasons (Australia & Mexico as examples). Unless you can ban firearms from the world (much less all states.... good luck with that). Gun control is not effective, so it's not a realistic solution in my mind.

I never said using guns for hunting is a bad thing, I'm just saying it's not the only reason people own firearms which anti-gun people often use as a reason for banning certain types of firearms.

Originally Posted by 2DMention My Dad has plenty, but they don't let me have guns. I'm not a hunter, and don't live in the hood, so there's no need for them. I'm smart enough to stay out of trouble. It'll be a bitch selling them when my Dad passes away, because CL or the paper don't sell them, amirite?

I believe your estate will handle that. There are various ways to sell your firearms via Private Party Transfer through an FFL
More than likely guns retain relatively good value in comparison to video games

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Mostly true. I will say as a person who studies crime for a living and a person who's also been a victim of an armed robbery, that having a concealed weapon does little good in preventing an armed robbery and that most where victims are shot it comes from them resisting rather than just giving up their property. Most of the time they surprise you so you have no chance of pulling your gun and preventing them--and most are late at night when victims are tired, drunk etc. and thus easier to surprise. So there's not much more you can do other than shoot them in the back when fleeing--and do that and you risk a manslaughter charge since you're not longer in danger. Though those laws (and their enforcement, how juries treat them etc.) vary by states. But again, I'm not anti-gun. People can have them and have concealed permits if they want. I just don't buy the defense argument (in public--home defense sure) based on experience and knowledge of street crime.

you're def right for most street robberies. I see too many people on gun forums claiming to be super jack bauer. In all honesty in most cases if you're open carrying they'll steal your gun too . And after they've robbed you if they didn't get your CCW weapon you can't chase after them with your gun. you're asking for a world of trouble if you do.

The instances where it can help are if someone is actively targeting your life (either at random or directly). Note that I said "can"

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Originally Posted by TC I'm the type of person who would give up anything they wanted no problem, but people will kill you for nothing these days.

It happens, but VERY, VERY rare. Again, I study crime for a living.

Random murders are extraordinarily rare. Shootings in robberies are extraordinarily rare, and the majority of those rare one's are victim precipitated from the victim trying to resist rather than just handing over property.

Home defense is a different issue since home invasions (though again very rare) tend to be more violent.

I have many firearms mostly rifles and shot guns for deer hunting; though I do have a few handguns. Although I do have a concealed weapon permit my state is open carry so your free to openly display your hand gun without needing any sort of permit if you wish. Sometimes this results in encounters with law enforcement that don't know the state laws lol. There's actually groups who organize open carry days and pick up trash on roads, clean up community areas, etc to raise awareness of our rights under state law and show people most gun owners are responsible people.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 It happens, but VERY, VERY rare. Again, I study crime for a living. Random murders are extraordinarily rare. Shootings in robberies are extraordinarily rare, and the majority of those rare one's are victim precipitated from the victim trying to resist rather than just handing over property. Home defense is a different issue since home invasions (though again very rare) tend to be more violent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I'm very excited to get my gun.

CC is a whole different subject... Anyone with gun knowledge tells you that you absolutely shoot to kill in any situation that you have to draw on another person and I'm not sure I want that responsibility. Then again, I've never been the victum of a violent crime and my thoughts on that might change if I'm ever in a situation that escalates beyond giving up anything I have/own.

Marlin 60, Mosin Nagant 91/30, WASR 10 (romanian ak47), Kel tec P3at freedom edition, Taurus PT 24/7 pro, Taurus M85, Sig P250 Compact. Waiting on my FFL to recieve my new Ruger Gunsite Scout and a new FN Herstal 17705

Originally Posted by lordopus99 None. I personally feel people shouldn't have guns for anything other than to hunt i.e. only hunting rifles. The portion in the amendments was used back in the day so you could protect yourself from invaders and indians. Nowadays we dont have those problems.

Actually, if you read the Federalist Papers and other writings of the Framers of the Constitution, you would see that the Second Amendment was meant to give the people the ability to resist and overthrow a tyrannical government,much as they had just done in overthrowing the rule of the British.

I always wanted to have my own handgun, I live in s.California so I don't know if it would be very difficult to own one here. I just would like a classic peacekeeper or something are saturday night specials illegal?

Originally Posted by ian1418 Actually, if you read the Federalist Papers and other writings of the Framers of the Constitution, you would see that the Second Amendment was meant to give the people the ability to resist and overthrow a tyrannical government,much as they had just done in overthrowing the rule of the British.

Yep. But that's kind of moot today now that the governments have tanks, airplanes, missles, nukes etc. Made sense back when all anyone (including the military) had was rifles and cannons. Now that rationale is outdated since there's no way we want citizens armed with tanks, fighter jets, missiles etc.

Originally Posted by 200STM I always wanted to have my own handgun, I live in s.California so I don't know if it would be very difficult to own one here. I just would like a classic peacekeeper or something are saturday night specials illegal?

I live in California, it's not difficult to own a handgun at all. We're just restricted to certain firearms and political whims.

Remington 870 used for trap shooting and hunting.




and a Glock 19 handgun

When we finally open my Dad's gun safe at my sister's house I'll have more.

I have more guns than I need, but fewer guns than I want.

That said, thinking of doing an OLL build sometime in the near future.

I always wanted to have my own handgun, I live in s.California so I don't know if it would be very difficult to own one here. I just would like a classic peacekeeper or something are saturday night specials illegal?

Check out http://www.calguns.net/ (& the forums) for answers to any questions you have on gun laws in California.

It's been awhile since I have bought a handgun but basically;
Go to gunshop
Find gun
Fill out paperwork
Show valid ID (ex: Drivers License)
Show proof of residence (ex:Utility bill with name & current address)
Give thumbprint
Wait for background check
More paperwork
Pay for gun
Go home
Come back in 10- 24hour periods
Pick up gun

Forgot to mention, for handguns, you need to take a test to get a Handgun Saftey Certificate.
Pretty much a multiple choice quiz that shows you know the basics on Cali gun laws and safety.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/hscinfo.php

GL

I don't have any firearms yet. But I did have to exchange something at Cabella's after work today and spent an hour or so in the hunting section. I'd really like a Desert Eagle (.50 AE), but will more than likely start out with a .22 and/or maybe even a .30-06 with a nice scope.

I have had a couple of retail/service jobs since school (finished just as the economy went to crap) with a bunch of debt that left me barely scraping by for a couple of years. But I sacrificed and got myself into a decent position financially. I just started a fairly decent job this week that will have me paying off the rest of my credit card debt and my car loan in just a couple of months. Then I'll have plenty of disposable income. First I'll be ditching the roommates and getting my own pad, but next will be getting some firearms, a gun safe and a dog. :)

I have several guns but I don't really collect them as a hobby. I hunt and that is my hobby, not gun collecting. I also have some pistols for self-defense, again not a hobby.

No guns atm, probably because my job involves messing with them so much that I'm pretty sick of them during my time off. That said, I'll build an AR-15 someday. It's not really suited to home defense but it's the weapon I'm most familiar with so I figure I can make it work.

Originally Posted by Zoglog The pistolgrip I have is the blackhawk knoxx pistol grip stock. It absorbs recoil. It's actually a significant improvement over a normal stock. I can shoot high velocity slugs and 00 buck with virtually no impact on my shoulder.

O'rly. I'll have to look in to that. Anything tricky about the installation?