Because Atlas, Xseed and NISA have a completely different target market and a completely different business model.

Originally Posted by confoosious Because Atlas, Xseed and NISA have a completely different target market and a completely different business model.

And Reggie's predecessor operated the company competently to the point that fans weren't pissed off. Reggie only got his current job title due to reverse-discrimination.

Guy has nothing to say but bitch about other people, ignore him. Sad life I think.

Nothing to do with Xenoblade, but related:

Hironobu Sakaguchi is sad.

Originally Posted by Xenogears I can fully understand why a soulless and shit corporation that I do not support might choose not to release these games. But not a game company claiming to support its fans and gamers. So which is nintendo? A soulless shit corporation, or a game company supporting its fans and gamers?

Soulless shit corporation for sure! None of these companies are in it for the fans or fans alone, if those are the only two options you're giving us. It will always be about money to some extent. All of the "for the fans" stuff is good PR fluff.

We've seen the claiming it's for the fan routine plenty of times before with Nintendo. Zelda soundtrack? Mario All Stars? 20th Anniversary GBA Micro? Just to name a few.

Originally Posted by Vortextk It doesn't even need to be ing marketed(check) at this point. I take it you don't realize the thousand upon thousands of comments on twitter, facebook, ign, gamefaqs, here(and more) and atleast a dozen articles and interviews about this on all sorts of game sites yet that has happened in what, less than a week from "starting"? ... We agree it's not free to ship or package(check) but apparently we do disagree that packaging and shipping a game to retailers, something that has happened a billions times in the US if we talk about single units of games, is going to cost anywhere near even a conservative 100-200k copies sold in the US of a game with absolutely no development and if they so choose no localization costs.

You are very much overestimating the marketing/consumer-intent and underestimating the retailers willingness to sell if you think Internet outcry is a suitable replacement for marketing and selling to resellers.

Having said that, they could pull off what they did with Electroplankton: just sell the game as a store.nintendo.com exclusive. Maybe Operation Rainfall should be adjusted for this objective instead? Just putting an idea out there. This would at least be a solution to distribution/resale.

"Yo atlus, we got this game with good reviews, ok sales and a great pedigree. We translated it over into english, gave it an english cast, but feeling kind of lazy. If you pay to make and ship the discs and do your own marketing, you can have all the profits, what do you say?" This is basically what has happened, except it has stayed within the same company.

I know your point wasn't completely about a third party localizing it, but...

I'm sure Atlus or whoever else specializes in localization and publishing would/could pick it up... But we are talking about Nintendo being the original publishers and owning the controlling interest in Monolith. I'm all ears if there was a time where a Nintendo game got published by someone else for another market. (And we're talking about recent memory. CD-i games need not apply.) I wouldn't completely discount this idea as impossible, but I might bet on a localization waiting to be announced later in the year by Nintendo than this.

Anyways, I'm betting on a localization at some point. All of you people saying " Nintendo," " this," or " that" will run right back into Nintendo's arm when/if the games are announced and be gleeful like a little schoolgirl.

Originally Posted by imacgod I'm all ears if there was a time where a Nintendo game got published by someone else for another market. (And we're talking about recent memory. CD-i games need not apply.) I wouldn't completely discount this idea as impossible, but I might bet on a localization waiting to be announced later in the year by Nintendo than this.

It has nothing to do with who published it or who developed it. It's the IP rights holder that is important. And Nintendo owns the IP rights to these games, yet they were both published by Atlus. There are a couple more that I can't think of at the top of my head.

Well, I guess we should start pushing for Atlus instead of whining and moaning in this thread! Who do we contact?

I recall Atlus and others tried to get them and Nintendo said no

Also, to add to the confusion, Sony was willing to license out publishing duties for these two games to 3rd party publishers for the American audience-




Xenoblade/The Last Story/Pandora's Tower could potentially have a similar situation to White Knight Chronicles 2, in which the original 1st party publisher abandoned it for the North American market, but licensed it out to a known 3rd party publisher (D3 is technically Namco-Bandai, who also published Demon's Souls for Europe). Dark Souls, the "spiritual sequel" to Demon's Souls, is a cluster of a mess to explain, but it came about due to the reluctance of SCEA wanting to publish Demon's Souls.


And Microsoft did a similar thing for their own IPs-




Yes, both of those Japanese-centric games are owned by Microsoft but published by 3rd parties for North America.

Let me get this straight. Some first party IP's have been published by third parties recently. So why are acting like this over just because NOA has no plans currently? (And again this isn't even Nintendo acknowledging this isn't happening at all.) I know Nintendo is probably not going to sell rights easily, but wouldn't Atlus be a better party to contact? They would have actual clout and allowed to actually talk to Nintendo and bargain with them.

All I got from this thread and the news I've read so far was this is done and game over. Seems like there's still some options to exercise.

Originally Posted by Jawmuncher I recall Atlus and others tried to get them and Nintendo said no

Links? I checked Atlus's message boards, and didn't see anything of the sort.

This thread went to complete shit. I'm closing it. OP can make a new one if he wants.

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Originally Posted by imacgod Let me get this straight. Some first party IP's have been published by third parties recently. So why are acting like this over just because NOA has no plans currently? (And again this isn't even Nintendo acknowledging this isn't happening at all.) I know Nintendo is probably not going to sell rights easily, but wouldn't Atlus be a better party to contact? They would have actual clout and allowed to actually talk to Nintendo and bargain with them. All I got from this thread and the news I've read so far was this is done and game over. Seems like there's still some options to exercise.

Maybe we should bombard Atlus instead?