It was a huge mistake for this not to be UT's last match. My guess is that they want his last match to be the big selling point for next year since they had Rock/Cena this year.

I think his last match will be at Survivor Series, not WM. He debuted at a Survivor Series, so it seems fitting. Let the streak stand at 20-0.

I was a fan of WWF in the old days so this was the first PPV i actually paid to watch ( the hype got me damn you Vince) and was overall disappointed. I liked the UT Triple H HITC match considering what those guys can do now. I wasnt expecting them to go on top of the cell anymore. I agree with Puple Flames about the main event. I was shocked actually the Rock won. Doesnt make sense for a guy who isnt even part time to win against the franchise wrestler. I was a big fan of the WWF in its heyday but WWE shouldnt have had Cena job to Rock.

Originally Posted by masked lemon So you wanted them throwing each other into the cell for 5-10 minutes straight rather than chairshots? I would think that would be even more boring. Especially since this being PG era, there wouldn't be any blood. And they damn sure weren't going to be climbing the cell. So I guess I'm still confused as to what people were expecting from this match that they feel they didn't get.

Yeah, that's totally a thing I said. Really.

One, them using the cell instead of chairs would be boring as , especially because that's what the first 5-10 minutes of the match already was.

Two, you're missing the point... expectations aside, my point is that there was zero reason for this to be a HiaC match if that's what they had planned. All it ended up being was a nice bullet-point for the marketing. If you took that exact match and gave it a streetfight, regular cage, or simple No-DQ stipulation... what would make it different? I admit, I'm still one of those HiaC purists, where I think it needs to be used sparingly and only when there's a purpose. They weren't keeping anyone out. No one was trying to get out of the match. The ref got knocked out and replaced quickly. It wasn't an all-out bloody grudge match. It just... it was just a match that happened to be enclosed in a fence. I get that it doesn't gel with current day WWE, but I expected more from the three men involved. All told, I witnessed a broken down looking man getting repeatedly hit with a chair while the referee cried in a corner and a greatest hits package of moves. Putting that inside HiaC doesn't magically make it special for me.

Originally Posted by MrNEWZ ... for like 5 years. Considering HHH debuted with WW(F)E 17 years ago, they're pretty close.

And plenty had changed in those five or so years. The guys came into the WWF at different "eras" if you want to call it that. HHH's biggest time was the attitude era, with Rock and Austin etc. That wasn't Taker's era, that was the beginning of, what I think, was the worst time for that character, when they eventually turned him into nothing more than some tatted up biker.

Problem is that most of the guys that debuted around 1990 with him are either dead or retired by now.

I understand what everyone's saying. I have come to a place, as a wrasslin fan, where I have zero expectations of WWE to use some brains. Danielson jobbing in under 30 seconds is awful—but he's still employed and making WWE money. That's really the only thing I care about: that people like Danielson, Punk, etc. earn big money—because I don't want to see them end up a joke like, say, Virgil, Hacksaw, and other guys who perform in their fifties to earn a paycheck. That shit is depressing.

Are we really critiquing The Rock as a wrassler? I have never been impressed with his ring work. He's not like Steve Austin where he had a solid foundation under his gimmick. The Rock arguably laid the groundwork for WWE's "five moves of doom" ring style—and is the man WWE used to transition from pro wrestling to sports entertainment. Rock has never been a wrassler. Not even in his "Die Rocky Die" blue-chipper days or Nation of Dominaton days. He's always been an entertainer.

And I'm not sure what's worse between Rock's Shitshooter or Cena's ShitTF.

has WWE given any hints when WWE network is coming out was april 1 but nope...

heard oct 31 but dont know


i cant belive people still spend 50 to 60 on ppvs... yea maybe 20 years ago when it was only one once a week and you had to wait a week to see who won but come on PPV are not even worth 20 anymore...

i think that is why almost all of the PPVS will be free on the wwe network (last i heard).. rumble. WM.summer and SS will still be pay to see

Originally Posted by Chase And I'm not sure what's worse between Rock's Shitshooter or Cena's ShitTF.

Those STFs were damn ugly. Somewhere backstage, Regal was crying.

Sounds like I made the right decision to go to a concert last night then, even if I was hungover as could be this morning, and my ears are still ringing.

Originally Posted by 007 Yeah, that's totally a thing I said. Really. One, them using the cell instead of chairs would be boring as , especially because that's what the first 5-10 minutes of the match already was. Two, you're missing the point... expectations aside, my point is that there was zero reason for this to be a HiaC match if that's what they had planned. All it ended up being was a nice bullet-point for the marketing. If you took that exact match and gave it a streetfight, regular cage, or simple No-DQ stipulation... what would make it different? I admit, I'm still one of those HiaC purists, where I think it needs to be used sparingly and only when there's a purpose. They weren't keeping anyone out. No one was trying to get out of the match. The ref got knocked out and replaced quickly. It wasn't an all-out bloody grudge match. It just... it was just a match that happened to be enclosed in a fence. I get that it doesn't gel with current day WWE, but I expected more from the three men involved. All told, I witnessed a broken down looking man getting repeatedly hit with a chair while the referee cried in a corner and a greatest hits package of moves. Putting that inside HiaC doesn't magically make it special for me.

I get what you are saying, but what exactly did you want them to do with the cell? You say you wanted the cell used more in the match, what other way could it have been used besides as a weapon, because like I said, you surely don't expect them to climb it.

I don't think it needed to be a hiac match either, but for different reasons. I don't think at this point an Undertaker Wrestlemania match needs any extra gimmicks added to it. The streak is more than enough to make it a compelling match.

It's been pretty much established that normal wrestling isn't enough to beat UT, so I feel weapons are fine in the match. Neither of these men can put on technical clinics, so we get a hardcore style match, and I'm fine with that.

You're not wrong for not liking the match, that's your opinion. I just felt like opening a debate about what more you would have liked to have seen. I personally thought the match was great, but I would have liked to have seen a Last Ride, and I would have done away with the ref run in. More finisher reversals would have been good also.

THQ has announced a WWE 12 Wrestlemania edition for the UK. Looks like it includes all DLC.

It's weird how all the comments read the same in these WWE threads year after year. It's like the same complaints I've seen before, during, and now after I stopped watching WWE. I'm just surprised these still even have an audience anymore. :p

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