Originally Posted by chubbyninja1319 This, minus the shower part because this dlc is totally worth it and this content WAS NOT READY to launch with the retail game. It was cut from the main game due to time constraints, so we are lucky we got it at all.

Actually, not true (if some other developers are to be believed). According to others, there's a period of time (a few weeks, maybe a month) where they don't see the game. During this time, they create some DLC. This maybe when From Ashes was created.

Look, in all honesty, I don't care that it came out at launch. I'd just rather it not be on the DAMN DISC (Capcom loves to do this which is why I'm not supporting them). Which it wasn't. If it was, you'd have downloaded a 12kb file, not a ~630MB file.

Originally Posted by KingBroly Is there a point to getting the plot relevant character when the ending makes the entire plot irrelevant?

Well yea, some people choose to enjoy the other 95% of the game.

Actually, a significant chunk of From Ashes is on-disk already.

And whether it is or not is irrelevant to me. I can't ing wait for Dark Knight Rises, but that doesn't mean I'd take it a month early, but I have to pay ten dollars for any scene with Gordon in it 'cause they did those last.

Originally Posted by The Crotch Actually, a significant chunk of From Ashes is on-disk already. And whether it is or not is irrelevant to me. I can't ing wait for Dark Knight Rises, but that doesn't mean I'd take it a month early, but I have to pay ten dollars for any scene with Gordon in it 'cause they did those last.

Not really a good analogy since Gordon is a recurring character in the series.

No need to beat a dead horse with the From Ashes whining, all he asked was if the DLC was worth it and the general consensus is that Javik is a great character.

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Alright, then.

Bane or Catwoman or whoever the else is in the movie. Your quibble misses the point.

Originally Posted by The Crotch Alright, then. Bane or Catwoman or whoever the else is in the movie. Your quibble misses the point.

You're just not good at using analogies to emphasize your point. If the antagonist isn't in the movie when it's first shown then that's a completely different issue. Catwoman, maybe, if she isn't an integral part of the plot but contributes to the lore.

People can play through the game without Javik and there won't be a significant impact on the game as a whole. The shitty packaging strategy that Bioware came up with was that the more devoted players who care about the extra pieces of lore will buy the collector's edition and get it anyway, and the others/newcomers/casuals could play through without it and grab it later if they wanted to. Dumb on their part? Maybe, but that has been discussed to death. If someone asks if the DLC's content is good/worth it, bringing up the on-disc or not issue is what's irrelevant.

Jaysus . If I pointed out a cloud that looked like a rabbit, you'd say no because it doesn't have claws or fur.

Assets including the character model are on disc. But the contents of the specific mission are not. That's been documented and if you do a little research you'll find this was done for very good, technical reasons. Bottom line is that its good dlc including a good mission and an excellent and meaningful additional squadmate. I couldn't imagine experiencing the game without Prothy.

True, yet on disc or not is not the matter of concern. It's the decision to make loyal fans, the ones that will undoubtedly pick it up, pay for said content instead of doing what they did with ME2, tying it to a new games networked system.

Originally Posted by Spybreak8 True, yet on disc or not is not the matter of concern. It's the decision to make loyal fans, the ones that will undoubtedly pick it up, pay for said content instead of doing what they did with ME2, tying it to a new games networked system.

Please 'splain again, my friend? I don't follow.

On a semi-related side note, I'm curious if future larger-scale DLC, like kasumi or shadow broker scale, single player DLC will include online components. I kind of have a feeling that single player dlc and multiplayer dlc will be separate with MP being free for two reasons A) to keep people playing and B) microtransactions = dolla dolla bills, y'all . But, we won't see achievements with MP dlc.

Originally Posted by KingBroly Mass Effect 3 isn't really one for charm. Nor is it one for little details.

WWHHHHAaaaaaattttt?!

ME3 has by far the most little details going back through the first two games, the books, the comics, and some outside stuff. PLEASE don't make me nerd rage and make a list.

Not one for charm? there are so many nods, moments, bromances, tearjerks, badassery, and otherwise sweet ass charm in this game i have a devastatingly hard time seeing how you can make that statement.

Originally Posted by chubbyninja1319 Please 'splain again, my friend? I don't follow. On a semi-related side note, I'm curious if future larger-scale DLC, like kasumi or shadow broker scale, single player DLC will include online components. I kind of have a feeling that single player dlc and multiplayer dlc will be separate with MP being free for two reasons A) to keep people playing and B) microtransactions = dolla dolla bills, y'all . But, we won't see achievements with MP dlc.

Would have been cool to have MP specific achievements similar to eye of the hurricane, but I guess it was good that they had more general completion ones that could be earned in either SP or MP

Originally Posted by Freemason WWHHHHAaaaaaattttt?! ME3 has by far the most little details going back through the first two games, the books, the comics, and some outside stuff. PLEASE don't make me nerd rage and make a list. Not one for charm? there are so many nods, moments, bromances, tearjerks, badassery, and otherwise sweet ass charm in this game i have a devastatingly hard time seeing how you can make that statement.

Just on the topic of funny stuff alone the Mass Effect series is full of charm. I'll even give it credit for making fun of itself from time to time. One that made me laugh was when Garrus shouts "I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my favorite spot on the Citadel" when you let him win the sniping contest .

Originally Posted by chubbyninja1319 Please 'splain again, my friend? I don't follow. On a semi-related side note, I'm curious if future larger-scale DLC, like kasumi or shadow broker scale, single player DLC will include online components. I kind of have a feeling that single player dlc and multiplayer dlc will be separate with MP being free for two reasons A) to keep people playing and B) microtransactions = dolla dolla bills, y'all . But, we won't see achievements with MP dlc.

ME2 had other squad member dlc tied with the Cerberus Network. Everyone who bought the game new had that "membership". Instead of doing something similar with ME3 they decided to make new copies buy it for $10. I got the CE so I didn't have this dilemma but I can see the point of view from a person who picked up a new copy of the game at full retail value only having to put down another 10 bucks.

OK, I got ya. Yeah, that is a good point. I do like the membership path vs. individual pay-for DLC. The Cerberus Network was a neat little perk that brought some decent free stuff, I suppose. While not dlc related, I liked the constant feed with news updates. Too bad they didn't do that with ANN right on the start page on ME3.

Took a break from other things and got on tonight to finish the Gold extraction requirement.


Noticed there are still a lot of people that quit after the last credit wave, some saying "Thanks" or just cursing as they leave.

They do it enough that I'm starting to think there is bug that lets you keep the credits.

I just came across this and I do not know if this has been posted before but I am going to go with The Indoctrination Theory for explaining the ending of ME3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI

Personally, if we didn't have the Online Pass trash, this problem wouldn't be rearing its ugly head.

Originally Posted by dualedge2 Personally, if we didn't have the Online Pass trash, this problem wouldn't be rearing its ugly head.

personally, if we didn't have piracy on such a grand scale this problem wouldn't be rearing its ugly head.

you can't blame them for trying creative ways to battle the used game market. we already can get $10-$20 on preorder GC's and flipping DLC codes.

MP - rather sick F/W/G, 3 geth, 1 salarian engine. The amount of shield drainage, stunning, and healing was insane. we beat it 23:50. I was like...whaaaa. I hope there's another MP DLC installment coming up. I'm starting to run out of fun and effective ways to put down the enemy. ...and full quarian melee is not both fun and effective.

Originally Posted by 100xp personally, if we didn't have piracy on such a grand scale this problem wouldn't be rearing its ugly head. you can't blame them for trying creative ways to battle the used game market. we already can get $10-$20 on preorder GC's and flipping DLC codes.

Is all that in regard to the discussion on From Ashes?

Because if not, carry on.

But if it is... that's silly as all , yo.