If I were GZ, I think I'd rather stay in jail... Seems like it's probably the safer place for him.

Then again I'm anti-gun so I wouldn't be in his position anyway.

And if you think, none of this would have happened if he had just followed the instructions of the 911 operator and let the police do their jobs, rater than trying to act like one himself.

oh you!

Finally a honest sounding article on zimmerman and his past. from yahoo no less. thought this was worth sharing...

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerm...194235114.html

Originally Posted by DurbanBrown Finally a honest sounding article on zimmerman and his past. from yahoo no less. thought this was worth sharing... http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerm...194235114.html

Yup. It's as honest as how some people describe Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings relationship as a "romance."

It's a fluff piece to meant evoke sympathy for Zimmerman.

Originally Posted by dohdough Yup. It's as honest as how some people describe Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings relationship as a "romance." It's a fluff piece to meant evoke sympathy for Zimmerman.

Rather than just calling it a fluff piece, which is easy to do and accomplishes nothing....why don't you point out something that is innacurate about the story.

The article is probably uncomfortable to those who just want to paint Zimmerman as a one dimensional monster, but what specifically about it is unfair or innacurate.

Slightly OT, but slightly not.

Dohdough, what do you think of Bruins fans hating on my boy Joel Ward with racial tweets?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1455975.html

EDIT:
He's not my boy, he just got my team to the next round of the playoffs.

Originally Posted by KingBroly Slightly OT, but slightly not. Dohdough, what do you think of Bruins fans hating on my boy Joel Ward with racial tweets? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1455975.html EDIT: He's not my boy, he just got my team to the next round of the playoffs.

That's sad.

fluff piece though it may be, I still hold to GZ not having a hard-on for killing a black kid. It's just a series of bad decisions leading to a terrible tragedy. Even if he gets off on Murder II, he'll get crucified in a wrongful death civil trial which would be more advantageous to the family anyways.

Originally Posted by caltab Rather than just calling it a fluff piece, which is easy to do and accomplishes nothing....why don't you point out something that is innacurate about the story. The article is probably uncomfortable to those who just want to paint Zimmerman as a one dimensional monster, but what specifically about it is unfair or innacurate.

Are you implying that the piece is accurate, fair, and ISN'T attempting to elicit sympathy for Zimmerman? Even Hitler loved his dogs and had a girlfriend. Hell, I bet Zimmerman even mowed his lawn and gave out candy to black kids on Halloween. He probably also gave his parents Christmas gifts too. Why not include those things too humanize him some more? Or how about an account of his marriage proposal, wedding, honeymoon, and anniversary surprises?

The whole piece oozes with trying to portray Zimmerman as a good Catholic boy that always tried to do the right thing, getting into a little trouble, but most of all NOT RACIST as if the primary manifestations of racism these days are a bunch of white people shouting "n****r" at black people while trying to lynch them. The passive voice of the author saying "Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest." acts as if Zimmerman is divorced from his actions of being the one that pulled the trigger and killed Martin. It's the same passive voice bullshit that Zimmerman pulled on his website about "a life changing event that happened to him" as if he wasn't responsible for it.

Originally Posted by KingBroly Slightly OT, but slightly not. Dohdough, what do you think of Bruins fans hating on my boy Joel Ward with racial tweets? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1455975.html

I live in Boston. A lot of people in Boston are racist. People that made those tweets are racist. Lots of people in general are racist and supported by institutional racism. So I'm not surprised? Should I be? Why don't you tell us what you think about it? I'm sure everyone already knows what I think.

Originally Posted by dohdough Are you implying that the piece is accurate, fair, and ISN'T attempting to elicit sympathy for Zimmerman? Even Hitler loved his dogs and had a girlfriend. Hell, I bet Zimmerman even mowed his lawn and gave out candy to black kids on Halloween. He probably also gave his parents Christmas gifts too. Why not include those things too humanize him some more? Or how about an account of his marriage proposal, wedding, honeymoon, and anniversary surprises? The whole piece oozes with trying to portray Zimmerman as a good Catholic boy that always tried to do the right thing, getting into a little trouble, but most of all NOT RACIST as if the primary manifestations of racism these days are a bunch of white people shouting "n****r" at black people while trying to lynch them. The passive voice of the author saying "Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest." acts as if Zimmerman is divorced from his actions of being the one that pulled the trigger and killed Martin. It's the same passive voice bullshit that Zimmerman pulled on his website about "a life changing event that happened to him" as if he wasn't responsible for it. I live in Boston. A lot of people in Boston are racist. People that made those tweets are racist. Lots of people in general are racist and supported by institutional racism. So I'm not surprised? Should I be? Why don't you tell us what you think about it? I'm sure everyone already knows what I think.

I am interested in what you think; I always wondered how you can be a true sports fan AND blatantly racist. I think diversity is great for hockey and will only bring in a larger fanbase.

I'm an all New England fan and I always wondered how you could tweet shit like that and then celebrate when an all black Celtic starting five wins the NBA championship.

It has been a great decade or so of sports in the greater Boston Area... sometimes I don't understand what is wrong with people.

Seriously, that article was anything but honest sounding. Actually I'll take that back, honest sounding, yes, honest in reality? No. I don't give a damn if that neighborhood had been robbed by 100 black men in the last few months, he should have called the police and left it at that. This isn't the comics, we don't allow vigilantes. He thought he was going to be a big man and take matters into his own hands, and he did, now he's going to answer for it.

oh I wasn't implying that anyone here in particular stated that he wanted to kill a black kid, but many of his detractors seem to come to that conclusion.

Maybe a better way of saying it is that the act itself wasn't racist, but the aftermath and the divisions made are pretty clearly inline.

Originally Posted by nasum oh I wasn't implying that anyone here in particular stated that he wanted to kill a black kid, but many of his detractors seem to come to that conclusion.

Gotcha. Maybe it's because I don't try to read comments on yahoo or pay attention to the more extreme unnuanced editorials about this case, but I don't recall his detractors calling him a hood-wearing racist that was out to put black kids behind bars(or worse). That kind of sentiment works in opposition to the racial profiling angle which I saw as more prevalent. Feel free to point me in that direction though...hahaha.

Maybe a better way of saying it is that the act itself wasn't racist, but the aftermath and the divisions made are pretty clearly inline.

Yeah, the event incident was bad enough and it snowballed from there.

Originally Posted by Clak Seriously, that article was anything but honest sounding. Actually I'll take that back, honest sounding, yes, honest in reality? No. I don't give a damn if that neighborhood had been robbed by 100 black men in the last few months, he should have called the police and left it at that. This isn't the comics, we don't allow vigilantes. He thought he was going to be a big man and take matters into his own hands, and he did, now he's going to answer for it.

Don't even bother, when it is all said and done people are just gonna be too ignorant to grasp the truth of what you said period.

Wow I love how you can kill a child for any reason and receive thousands of dollars. Don't even know how to feel about that. How much money has the martins received? You know because at the end of the day its their child that was killed but it seems many people couldn't give another shit about some dead hoodie wearing thug. I hope your kids never get killed for walking.

Still to this day that haven't stated why Zimmerman got out I his car after calling the police. From what I have learned jn this thread you can do anything you want up unto actually hitting someone and still claim self defense.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg Wow I love how you can kill a child for any reason and receive thousands of dollars. Don't even know how to feel about that. How much money has the martins received? You know because at the end of the day its their child that was killed but it seems many people couldn't give another shit about some dead hoodie wearing thug. I hope your kids never get killed for walking. Still to this day that haven't stated why Zimmerman got out I his car after calling the police. From what I have learned jn this thread you can do anything you want up unto actually hitting someone and still claim self defense.

Almost. You forgot the part where you have to kill the person because dead people tell no tales.

defense funds are very common and a great thing for tax payers. Id much rather private parties pay for his defense than the state. Brutal murderers on death row get private funding for appeals from people who oppose the death penalty without scrutiny from the media, I don't see what the issue is with Zimmerman getting money.

Originally Posted by caltab defense funds are very common and a great thing for tax payers. Id much rather private parties pay for his defense than the state. Brutal murderers on death row get private funding for appeals from people who oppose the death penalty without scrutiny from the media, I don't see what the issue is with Zimmerman getting money.

There are two reasons why it's problematic:

1. His bond was set according to his alleged financial difficulty of not having any money period.

2. He certainly knows his audience and designed his website to court and solicit donations from ultra-nationalists, bigots, and racists.

Donations from people opposing the death penalty are different from the type of people that Zimmerman targeted. Considering the way the death penalty has been applied in a racist manner, it demonstrates an even greater reason as to why someone shouldn't be comparing the two.

Should he be able to solicit funds from whoever he wants? Of course, but don't expect people to not be critical of the way he does it considering the way he did.

edit: Don't get me wrong, the first point is the more important one because it's subverting the process.

I can't find the article done by Yahoo! But while I was at work the other day I noticed they did a write up on Al Sharpton addressing the Martin supporters in light of the 20th anniversary of the Rodney King beating and subsequent riots.

While I think Sharpton can be a HUGE jackass I actually thought that was a classy move on his part giving that the anniversary almost coincided exactly with the day that Zimmerman was released on bail.