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They didn't usually show the tricorder displays that often though. The early sets will probably look horrible. All those early planetary sets were just awful, like the early episode with the flying drone robots.

Something that's always disappointed me is how despite the dire consequences that are about to unfold, the show will just go to credits usually instead. I get that with TNG it wasn't supposed to episodic and there was a certain humor in "Well we just made things worse, let's be out" but DS9 can't move to another location so they're usually forced to deal with things.

I think endings have always been a weak point for Star Trek TV series in general. Anti-climactic is probably the best term to use. Especially given that a lot of multi-episode story arcs used to end near the beginning of a season.

I guess VOY probably had the most definitive ending. They were trying to get home, they did, the end. TNG and even DS9 didn't really have an endgame goal.

No end game goal for DS9? You wouldn't consider the war ending, Dukat dying, and hell even Sisko's ascension to becoming a prophet end goals?

ton of spoilers in that post, but then again they're more than 10 years old at this point LOL.

Originally Posted by Clak They didn't usually show the tricorder displays that often though. The early sets will probably look horrible. All those early planetary sets were just awful, like the early episode with the flying drone robots.

I read somewhere that someone brought up the cardboard block outs on the rear display stations on the bridge and some areas of the ship if they were going to be replaced by cg and the answer was NO...something about it's part of the star trek legacy....either that or someone forgot to mention that during the make over lol. Those things always bothered me when I first saw it during it's original run...so if we noticed that during the SD viewing..it's going to show up even more in the HD viewing.

Originally Posted by Clak I guess VOY probably had the most definitive ending. They were trying to get home, they did, the end. TNG and even DS9 didn't really have an endgame goal.

Voyager's ending felt so slapped on....lets take out the borg and take a trans-warp tunnel home! Why the hell did they left Nelix on that Asteroid in the second to last episode? There was no point to that... Nelix already accepted the fact that he was going to the Alpha Quadrant with the rest of the crew.

Originally Posted by Friend of Sonic No end game goal for DS9? You wouldn't consider the war ending, Dukat dying, and hell even Sisko's ascension to becoming a prophet end goals?

What bugs me about that ending is that Sisko was on the holosuite with everyone, gets a vision, hops on a runabout and stops Dukat...from what I recalled , it takes 5 hours to get to bajor from DS9 on impulse. I doubt he did an in system warp jump....but it was like what the hell where Dukat and Winn doing for 5 hours...looking at the fire? :P

Originally Posted by davo1224 ton of spoilers in that post, but then again they're more than 10 years old at this point LOL.

LOL. Seriously?

Well yes, I never watched the show on the first airing. It seemed like a boring-as-balls spinoff at first glance. Now that I'm watching it, I'm enjoying it a great deal. It just sort of leaves an unsatisfying feeling when major plot points are brushed under the rug. I'm talking about the Bajoran government conspiracy at the beginning of season two and the aggressive actions from the warring races that used the Harvesters in particular.

Granted, I know I shouldn't be getting into a discussion about something that might be ruined for me, but those are my thoughts. Hopefully, with the spoilers that FoS gave, it seems like things change for the better throughout the series.

Originally Posted by davo1224 Well yes, I never watched the show on the first airing. It seemed like a boring-as-balls spinoff at first glance. Now that I'm watching it, I'm enjoying it a great deal. It just sort of leaves an unsatisfying feeling when major plot points are brushed under the rug. I'm talking about the Bajoran government conspiracy at the beginning of season two and the aggressive actions from the warring races that used the Harvesters in particular. Granted, I know I shouldn't be getting into a discussion about something that might be ruined for me, but those are my thoughts. Hopefully, with the spoilers that FoS gave, it seems like things change for the better throughout the series.

Star Trek is known to leave shit unresolved all the time...either it's lazy writers or producers who want more screen/focus towards certain characters (like seven/doctor/janeway)... I was curious about the Kazon and the Vidians....but I guess after they left their space it's like they didn't care anymore. I know in Think Tank, it was mentioned that they cured the Vidians.

So some more reviews are coming in with shots.
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/rev...ay-review.html

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/#jul15shots

You know now that I have viewed some of the shots, I am starting to think if each ship is a separately filmed shot, the planet(s), and the stars, if you look carefully at this shot:
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/s1_br...G-S1_BD_04.jpg
you can see each element has various level of film grain...the stars should not have film grain at all. When redoing all these shots, it is very easy for them to replace the original stars with something more cg. However the background stars looks grainy as well...which leads me to suspect that there is an artificial grain layer that has been applied to the new HD masters to distract the viewers from noticing the different levels of grain..

Originally Posted by Friend of Sonic No end game goal for DS9? You wouldn't consider the war ending, Dukat dying, and hell even Sisko's ascension to becoming a prophet end goals?

No, because those weren't stated goals when the show began. Even TNG had "to explore new life and civilizations." DS9 really had no "mission" so to speak, aside from administrating the station and I guess protecting Bajor.

Not to break away from ITDEFX's ST:TNG BD S1 thread, but I'll wait until season three comes out before I consider it. That's when everything really meshed for me...visuals, plot, acting...that season saved the show, IMO.

Unfortunately I skipped out on DS9 right before it got interesting with the war. My bad.

Yeah, TNG, DS9, and VOY always seem to take about 2-3 seasons to really hit their groove so to speak. Maybe less so with VOY.

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA Not to break away from ITDEFX's ST:TNG BD S1 thread, but I'll wait until season three comes out before I consider it. That's when everything really meshed for me...visuals, plot, acting...that season saved the show, IMO. Unfortunately I skipped out on DS9 right before it got interesting with the war. My bad.

I really thought about doing this too when the first DVD release came out 10 years ago...skip season 1 and 2 and wait to buy season 3...but ended up getting all of them when they first came out.

I am glad it's going to be cheaper than the 100 bucks I paid for them back in the day.

I'd probably start at season 3 and maybe go back and get 1 & 2 when they're cheaper. I wonder if these will end up on Netflix streaming.

Originally Posted by Clak I'd probably start at season 3 and maybe go back and get 1 & 2 when they're cheaper. I wonder if these will end up on Netflix streaming.

As I mentioned pages ago it would have been a really good idea for them to stream the sampler on netflix to see if there was a market for the HD remasters as a test....I doubt we will see it anytime soon.

My problem with Voyager's ending wasn't so much that it was "slapped on" but rather that it could have come at any time. It wasn't really a "full circle" story. I mean yeah it was a nice wrap-up to their Borg interactions and all but had they found another caretaker or something along those lines it might have felt more complete as a story. The whole trans-warp conduit felt like just another season finale (and hell every 5th episode basically) in which they almost get home but not quite.

The best part of the Voyager ending is that there was no more Voyager.

Originally Posted by dafoomie The best part of the Voyager ending is that there was no more Voyager.

its my second fav series...why do you people hate it?

Originally Posted by Tony Stark its my second fav series...why do you people hate it?

What do you mean, 'you people?'

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA What do you mean, 'you people?'

any derogatory comment you wish