The iphone is an exceptional device to be sure.

But your outright dismissal of wombat's point that the 3DS and the IPhone can't be directly compared because the 3DS does not set out to match what the IPhone does came off as very arrogant to me. I don't think there's anyone who is considering a 3DS/Vita purchase that buys an Iphone instead. Just like there is no one who is considering an Iphone purchase and buys a 3DS/Vita instead. They're just not in direct competition like that.

Wombat was essentially saying the same thing you were, that the 3DS is exceptional in one area vs the Iphone being exceptional in many areas.

For some reason you seemed to have a problem with a Nintendo device being called exceptional, and provided no real reason other than comparing it to a device that costs at least double what a 3DS does (factoring in contracts or off contract cost) and isn't even its direct competition.

Anyway, good show. That section just kind of irked me - I know you don't like being called a fanboy, but it got a little apple fanboyish for those few moments.

I'm pretty surprised at Gabe Newell's Windows 8 comments as well. He was only partially right when bashing the PS3 years ago, and while the guy is an exceptional genius, he seems to put a little too much of his personal opinion into comments like these. People who don't want Windows 8 will probably just stay on Windows 7 or OSX for the time being. I don't see why Windows 7 can't work for another 7 to 10 years.

busters... ready, go!

For anyone who doesn't watch Tokusatsu/Super Sentai... it's essentially the source material for American Power Rangers and has have yearly-changing themes since the 1970s... here's a video of SAMURAI SENTAI SHINKENGER from 2009 which is airing now in America as POWER RANGERS SAMURAI with redone casts (obvs.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc3byRPnx7k

Everytime Wombat cuts off another Cheapy Apple sermon I say an out loud, "Yeah!"

Originally Posted by CheapyD I didn't say an iPhone is a exceptional game machine, I said it was an exceptional device, and I feel similarly about any modern smartphone. It's amazing that we can carry a portable computer in our pockets. Those of you who thought I was comparing an iPhone (or any smartphone's) game playing ability to a dedicated gaming machine missed the point completely. There is continued discussion on my guest appearance on this week's 8-4 Play.

It's amazing in one sense, but an unlocked iPhone 4S costs between $649 and $849. Of course the tech is going to better than a $200 3DS XL. But the games still aren't anywhere near as good, and that's coming from someone who has no interest in Mario or Zelda.

Originally Posted by jer7583 I'm pretty surprised at Gabe Newell's Windows 8 comments as well. He was only partially right when bashing the PS3 years ago, and while the guy is an exceptional genius, he seems to put a little too much of his personal opinion into comments like these. People who don't want Windows 8 will probably just stay on Windows 7 or OSX for the time being. I don't see why Windows 7 can't work for another 7 to 10 years.

I agree. I'm still using XP on my desktop PC without any problems, although my laptop, netbook and work PC are all Windows 7 machines. And I had to hack all of them to get an XP-style Show Desktop button on the taskbar.

Cheapy is right, the 3DS is not exceptional. Why?

1. Hardware. It's not a particularily powerful device compared to this generation of smartphones, pads and the Vita. It's "good enough" for what Nintendo wants to do with it but not a powerhouse. The camera and speakers suck too.

2. Design. The decisions made during the design are questionable. Everything from the placement of the stylus, the power button being where you expect the start button to be , no second analogue stick (oh yeah I di-id), blinking coloured lights in random places, dinky slider bar for 3D effect... Very poorly designed system.

3. Screen. Too small. The XL fixes this for another $200. Last gen PSP had a bigger screen. Nintendo cheaped out here and it shows.

4. Build quality. Cheap and plasticky with jagged pieces sticking out at all the connection points that just gather dust and grime, the bottom piece scratches the top screen because they touch when the system is closed (I actually stuck my rubber pads from my 360 onto my 3DS to fix this). People already reporting broken hinges which is a carry-over design flaw from the DS Lite. Doesn't feel solid.

Exceptional? Even without the iPhone comparison the answer is no. And yes, I have both a 3DS and an iPhone and like them both for different reasons, but I'm not going to go fanboy on a fun but flawed system like the 3DS.

Quick question I've wondered for awhile.

I subsribe to Cagcast from a third-party podcast app (icatcher). Do you guys "see" this subscription in your reporting for advertisers, or do only subscriptions from official Apple apps count?

Cheapy is so anti-Nintendo that it's just silly now. While I disagree that the 3DS XL is so amazing, stop putting iPhone in a category so far above it without accounting for higher price and a worse game library, you arrogant piece of shit. It's a phone. Not a dedicated game console.

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Cheapy is incredibly rude when he doesn't want to talk about something like the 3DS, or anything Wombat or Shipwreck enjoy that he doesn't. And yet, when other people don't want to talk about Sleeping Dogs, he acts super upset. It seems like classic low self esteem, always talking himself up, alway bashing anything that anybody else enjoys that he doesn't.

I wonder if he's like this in real life. Or if this is some sort of character he plays.

Show Notes

8:30 Dark Knight Rises
11:00 Watch This - First Position, Detective Dee and the Phantom $Flame
18:00 Show Feedback
18:00 Dyad Demo
18:45 XBLive ads
22:30 Batman Beyond
25:00 New Releases
25:00 Wreckateer
29:45 Foosball. Cheapy sets the record for the most usage of the $word 'Balls' in one segment.
37:30 Kung Fu Strike:The Warrior Rise
42:00 Shipwreck@Best Buy
49:00 Serious Sam III
50:45 ME3 multiplayer
55:45 Blacklight Retribution
56:45 Outernauts
57:45 Gabe Newell's anti-Win8 stance
60:00 Sleeping Dogs
62:45 Little Big Planet Karting beta
65:15 Nintendo's earnings loss
65:45 Super Mario Bros 2 - digital/retail and 3DS XL
70:00 Reddit game codes stuff
71:30 KoF XIII Climax
73:15 Sony 3D
75:15 PC vs Console
76:00 3DS XL
76:45 Burgers in Tokyo


I watched Detective Dee a couple weeks ago, thought it was good but oddly uncompelling. It's on Netflix, so it's worth 2 hrs. It was advertised pretty heavily on the back cover of comics for a few months.

Newell doesn't like Win8 because the built in Win8 app store will compete with Steam. I don't understand his comments about losing OEMs, perhaps he's just exaggerating that for effect.

A CAG code distibution feature is awesome and a great way of responding to the needs of the CAG community.

I really love that wombat finally saw the light on me3 mp. I got more than my money's worth on me3 on mp alone the single player put it over the edge, game of the year for me for sure. I'd play me3 with you anytime wombat, even take you out of bronze for some REAL xp gains.

I'm going to just say that the dashboard is going to be faster in the fall.

Originally Posted by BetaDemo Cheapy, Perhaps you can't view the image links of the Thurman burger due to Japan having banned importing beef and all beef products including JPEG files of tasty american hamburgers so I've posted a few google image links:

Oh... beef? Here's the celebratory meal I had after we bought our first house in May.

re: Sherlock Holmes and martial arts

Sherlock trained in Bartitsu, which was brought to the UK in 1898. Even more interesting, is that Bartitsu founder E.W. Barton-Wright was a well known supporter of women's rights and trained women as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu

http://www.bartitsu.org/

Can we just have Cheapy never talk about mobile gaming? We get it, he doesn't play anything mobile. He sounds like an ass though when he dismissed the entire platform for doing exactly what others want it to do. I won't use my phone for gaming outside of 5 minute sessions, because, as Wombat aptly said "it's a ing phone." When I'm on a 5 hour flight across the country, Mario, Castlevania, Advanced Wars, etc on my DS is going to be much more entertaining than the glorified minigames I have on my phone.

Originally Posted by Psyae It was interesting to hear Cheapy and Wombat have a little debate about the 3DS. Cheapy, is there any kind of feature or game that could change your opinion on the system? What would you like to see?

Raise the price to at-least $1,000, cut it's power to the point that it can only play causal games, paint it white and put an apple logo on it.

You've reminded me what a pain in the ass shopping at Best Buy is. Last time I went in there and made a beeline for a specific memory card, three dudes stopped me on the way and asked if I needed help with anything. Meanwhile, every time I need to find a section of the store, it takes me ten minutes to flag somebody down in a different area who has to call somebody in the section I'm looking for, and then when they show up they're in a hurry to herd me there and then disappear.

Having said that, I am kinda curious about that private shopping dealy. I think I'll go next time they invite me.

"OS X ( /oʊ ˌɛs ˈtɛn/),[7] formerly Mac OS X,[8] is a series of Unix-based graphical interface operating systems developed, marketed, and sold by Apple Inc. OS X (officially) runs exclusively on Macintosh computers and has been pre-loaded on all Macs since 2002."

"Linux (i/ˈlɪnəks/ lin-əks[6][7] or /ˈlɪnʊks/ lin-uuks)[8][9][10] is a Unix based computer operating system assembled under the model of free and open source software development and distribution."

Originally Posted by donssword re: Sherlock Holmes and martial arts Sherlock trained in Bartitsu, which was brought to the UK in 1898. Even more interesting, is that Bartitsu founder E.W. Barton-Wright was a well known supporter of women's rights and trained women as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu http://www.bartitsu.org/

That was very interesting, thanks!

I really don't like Wombat in this episode..

Originally Posted by CheapyD I didn't say an iPhone is a exceptional game machine, I said it was an exceptional device, and I feel similarly about any modern smartphone. It's amazing that we can carry a portable computer in our pockets. Those of you who thought I was comparing an iPhone (or any smartphone's) game playing ability to a dedicated gaming machine missed the point completely. There is continued discussion on my guest appearance on this week's 8-4 Play.

I did go back and listen to that part of the podcast and yes, I could see how I missed the point of what you were trying to say. You were basically faulting Wombat for his use of the phrase "exceptional device" to describe a 3DSXL when you yourself think that the iPhone is more deserving of that monicker given its capabilities. At the same time though, just because one thing is an "exceptional device" doesn't mean that another thing can't be that as well.