Don't really care much for Ron White, but he's right, you can't fix stupid.

Originally Posted by Cantatus What exactly constitutes as "illegitimate rape"?

using an uncomfortably large dildo on yourself?

Originally Posted by Cantatus What exactly constitutes as "illegitimate rape"?

The fact that he's supported legislation establishing a marital rape exemption should tell you everything you need to know about this guy...

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is an anagram for My Ultimate Ayn Rand Porn

Continue about your day.

Originally Posted by nasum Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is an anagram for My Ultimate Ayn Rand Porn Continue about your day.

If only it were true; we'd have a ticket opposing the wars overseas and the drug war here at home, a ticket that opposes the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, and Gitmo, a ticket that opposes the bank and auto bailouts, ag subsidies... I could go on.

Instead, we have a ticket that agrees with the current administration on all of the above, and it's being painted as anarcho-capitalist because it wants a tax rate 4% lower and a 10 year budget plan that spends $39 trillion instead of $41 trillion.

Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess If only it were true; we'd have a ticket opposing the wars overseas and the drug war here at home, a ticket that opposes the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, and Gitmo, a ticket that opposes the bank and auto bailouts, ag subsidies... I could go on. Instead, we have a ticket that agrees with the current administration on all of the above, and it's being painted as anarcho-capitalist because it wants a tax rate 4% lower and a 10 year budget plan that spends $39 trillion instead of $41 trillion.

Because Letters of Marque and private prisons are soooo much better!

Originally Posted by dohdough Because Letters of Marque and private prisons are soooo much better!

Rand believed in government police, courts, prisons, and military.

Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess If only it were true; we'd have a ticket opposing the wars overseas and the drug war here at home, a ticket that opposes the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, and Gitmo, a ticket that opposes the bank and auto bailouts, ag subsidies... I could go on. Instead, we have a ticket that agrees with the current administration on all of the above, and it's being painted as anarcho-capitalist because it wants a tax rate 4% lower and a 10 year budget plan that spends $39 trillion instead of $41 trillion.

Somalia is Ayn Rand paradise - move there.

Originally Posted by camoor Somalia is Ayn Rand paradise - move there.

Government collapse and a dismantling of government from a philosophical revolution are two very different things (not that Ayn Rand advocated dismantling government anyway - once it came to IP, police, courts, justice system, and military, she got weak in the knees). The US government is also funding warlords, drone bombing the hell out of the place, throwing people in torture camps, and attempting to set up governments in various parts of the country. This has been going on for at least 20 years.

Even then, several markers of quality of life have improved (some greatly) during that time in Somalia. The take away from Somalia should be "wow, the US is a bunch of ing dicks."

Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess Government collapse and a dismantling of government from a philosophical revolution are two very different things (not that Ayn Rand advocated dismantling government anyway - once it came to IP, police, courts, justice system, and military, she got weak in the knees). The US government is also funding warlords, drone bombing the hell out of the place, throwing people in torture camps, and attempting to set up governments in various parts of the country. This has been going on for at least 20 years. Even then, several markers of quality of life have improved (some greatly) during that time in Somalia. The take away from Somalia should be "wow, the US is a bunch of ing dicks."

So your theory is that without US intervention Somalia would be a land of unicorns and rainbows?

Originally Posted by camoor So your theory is that without US intervention Somalia would be a land of unicorns and rainbows?

No, I'm saying that without the US drone bombing, sending in warlords and imprisoning opposition, that 20 years after government collapse, Somalia would likely be better off than it is now.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169454...ppression-all#

Originally Posted by camoor So your theory is that without US intervention Somalia would be a land of unicorns and rainbows?

When was the last time US intervention ANYWHERE made the situation better? I think you have to go back to Berlin, and that was just to give the finger to the Soviets

Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess No, I'm saying that without the US drone bombing, sending in warlords and imprisoning opposition, that 20 years after government collapse, Somalia would likely be better off than it is now.

Maybe.

Doesn't change the fact that the govt is closely aligned with Ayn Rand's political philosophy and it's a massive failure.

Originally Posted by RealDeals When was the last time US intervention ANYWHERE made the situation better? I think you have to go back to Berlin, and that was just to give the finger to the Soviets

That is a ridiculous oversimplification.

Originally Posted by camoor That is a ridiculous oversimplification.

Simple, but still true. Vietnam? Iraq? You MIGHT be able to debate Desert Storm, but I just don't see when in the last half century we've actually helped more than hurt. Is Iraq any more 'free'? Was it worth over a milloin and half civilains dead? (Sure, Saddam, but no where near worth it IMO) Think about that number for a second. You're reaching Holocaust numbers threre. Vietnam? We got involved because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which the government has admitted was false. Again, millions of Vietnamese civilains and 60,000 of that generation dead. Do you HONESTLY think interfering in Somalia will help based on our track record?

Originally Posted by RealDeals Simple, but still true. Vietnam? Iraq? You MIGHT be able to debate Desert Storm, but I just don't see when in the last half century we've actually helped more than hurt. Is Iraq any more 'free'? Was it worth over a milloin and half civilains dead? (Sure, Saddam, but no where near worth it IMO) Think about that number for a second. You're reaching Holocaust numbers threre. Vietnam? We got involved because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which the government has admitted was false. Again, millions of Vietnamese civilains and 60,000 of that generation dead. Do you HONESTLY think interfering in Somalia will help based on our track record?

I think simplistic thinking contributed to us getting involved in the first place. I also think you're engaging in simplistic thinking.

You sound like a non-interventionist dunderhead. As if we leave Somalia alone and everything will be ok. Not like they are going to ing go all 18th century pirate on us or anything AMIRITE

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Originally Posted by camoor I think simplistic thinking contributed to us getting involved in the first place. I also think you're engaging in simplistic thinking. You sound like a non-interventionist dunderhead. As if we leave Somalia alone and everything will be ok. Not like they are going to ing go all 18th century pirate on us or anything AMIRITE

So what is your solution then?

Camoor in the last century we truly ed Iran up with Operation Ajax. It indirectly led to them seeing the Muslim Pope installed, the court Mullah's with the Ayatollah running it all. Sexist pig.

Originally Posted by camoor I think simplistic thinking contributed to us getting involved in the first place. I also think you're engaging in simplistic thinking. You sound like a non-interventionist dunderhead. As if we leave Somalia alone and everything will be ok. Not like they are going to ing go all 18th century pirate on us or anything AMIRITE

All I've heard you say so far is that my thinking here is oversimplistic and call me a 'dunderhead' (WTF?) How about you actually explain HOW us interfering in Somalia will help. And for one that sees the simplicity in people's thinking, you, like our general thinking for the last half century, say WHOA pirate problem guys let's get em, without realizing a miniscule amount of people in Somalia are pirates and how we'll affect them. Because when it comes to figuring out WHICH darkies are actually the 'enemy', we seem to have a knack at that.