Originally Posted by Chetty12 Yes both me and my brother have had it on when we started. I believe it's because it's one of the settings like the Auto Strafe or Auto Sprint where it's up to each individual if they want it on or off for them. So it's up to each individual to turn fill roster off.

Can anyone else confirm this?

Originally Posted by Chetty12 I'd say just wait a day or so and see if anyone has a problem with it, if not just PM the commish and get permission to send it through if he hasn't already said it was ok in the thread.

Trades aren't even open until the league is activated anyway.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports A few things about this... 1. This trade is too big for the game's trade system. The game only has spots for each side trading 3 pieces. 2. The ratings given don't seem to be accurate. I know each team rates players differently this year, but I've looked at it from both the Patriots perspective and the Jets perspective, and neither side has Revis being a 99. What you should be reporting are the ratings you see for the players in the franchise roster. General roster ratings aren't helpful. From the Pats perspective, these are the ratings: Brady - 93, Hernandez - 86 / Revis - 95, Sanchez - 76, Hill - 67 From the Jets perspective, these are the ratings: Brady - 96, Hernandez - 89 / Revis - 95, Sanchez - 79, Hill - 73 3. The Jets have basically no cap space ($790K). Now, I don't know how the contracts are broken down, but just looking at it, they're taking on almost $94 million and giving up $71 million. I doubt that would work. Finally, I set up an offline career and tried to get this trade to go through from both perspectives, and both sides declined it saying "The (insert team name) are unwilling to trade the players you've requested." How much of this is/should be a factor for us, I don't know. But I did the leg work for you on this one. In the future, this is how EVERYONE should be approaching their trades. Do your homework, and see if the trade is even possible before you bring it in here.

1. While it may be too big to do in one trade, it is not too big to be done. For example, Sanchez and Revis for Brady and Hernadez and then do Hill for the 3rd and 6th in a seperate second trade.

2. You are assuming that each user will keep their schemes and player preferences the same as the default for those teams which could be why they posted the general ratings instead of the scheme specific ratings. Even in spite of that, ratings arn't everything and both owners still come out fairly even in this trade. One owner gets a top 3 qb and the other gets the best corner. The Pats then swap his pretty good backup tight end and some picks for a quality qb and a deep threat. So in my mind this trade is fair for both teams in terms of the quality of players both get. Obviously, both users were happy as well.

3. The big difference in the cap number is because Revis is on a two year contract while Brady is on 3 year contract. So if you add in the amount that Revis will make in his new contract on his 3rd year(around 10 million if he signs an escalating contract) the numbers come out to around 94 million to 81 million. The 13 million dollars over 3 years really isn't that big of a difference, a little over 4 million a year.

4. Your cap numbers also don't take into consideration that people can make cuts and free up extra cap space.

5. I just tried this in a franchise with two user players. I freed up cap room by cutting extra tight ends and receivers on the Jets and was able to send Brady and Hernadez for Sanchez and Revis. Then i was able to send Hill for a 3rd and 4th(the pats don't actually have a 6th so they'd have to change that). Both trades were accepted and went through.

6. I'm pretty sure everyone realizes that trades can't be done/ go through until the league starts. However, It doesn't hurt to install a process of how the trades are done if you want to regulate them, before we actually start the league.

7. If you're going to be condescending and tell people to do their homework, you probably should do yours correctly as well.

I just dont see the problem with the trade if its fair and both users agree to it im sure me and the jets owner could work out the trade i thought your job was to make sure the trades were fair not to be our GM.

This is what I was afraid of personally, league hasn't even started and big names are being traded.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Can anyone else confirm this?

I just checked, he's correct.

Originally Posted by jza1218 This is what I was afraid of personally, league hasn't even started and big names are being traded.

If trading for and trading away big names was going to be looked down upon, that should have been stated before everyone picked their teams. In fact in the op it says trading is encouraged as long as its fair.

Doesn't mean I have to like it.

well i wasnt going to wait for the leauge to start to start negotiating a trade. i want my trades to be done early on in preseason so i could have the same team for the entire year and not one that is changing all the time. Plus it's just a technicality that the league hasn't started, once the teams were selected the league basically begun.

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Originally Posted by Chetty12 List of points

Ok, let's get into this. Why are you making the argument for this trade? I get that Hemingway is your brother (which honestly, doesn't make you a very impartial observer), but you shouldn't be the one explaining how the trade could go through. As the trade was proposed, none of that information was presented as a necessity for the trade to work. So, on its face value, the proposal that was presented WILL NOT work.

If the presented idea requires it to be a multi-part trade and that the Jets mangle their roster, cutting an additional $4 million of salary to make room for these players, then that needs to be a part of the proposal. Honestly, that's probably a bigger issue than the players involved in the trade. This is the first year we've had to deal with contracts in Madden, so these kinds of things never needed to be considered before. But in general, people don't just cut players from their team any time they feel like it. Some might see this as a means of circumventing the cap...so that's DEFINITELY something that needs community input.

As for player ratings, you're just being argumentative here. Stop. The format for presenting trades is listed in the OP. It's only reasonable for people to list the overall ratings as they would relate to our online franchise. Yes, that's different for each team, but how can someone judge a trade for Tom Brady if they don't realize that in the Jets CURRENT system, he's not as valuable? It's not a perfect system, but it's also the first time we've had to deal with players being valued differently.

Your comment of "I'm pretty sure everyone realizes trades can't be done/go through until the league starts." again...somewhat argumentative. You JUST got done instructing someone to PM me to get me to "send it through". I guess you feel comfortable enough to just tell people how things are and talk about how you think things should work, but try to recognize your place here. You're a new member. You're not a co-commissioner. You're not in charge of this league. Answering people's questions and then making me have to follow that up with an answer of my own just creates more work for me.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and your feedback, but please just tone it down a notch. I'm doing the best I can here, and all I've seen from you lately is argumentative comments and dissention. I've got the interests of 31 other people to try to protect here. If you think it's that simple and you could do a better job running a league, you're welcome to go do so.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Can anyone else confirm this?

I had to turn it off when I joined, it was default on.

Originally Posted by jza1218 I just checked, he's correct.

Originally Posted by hammurabi1337 I had to turn it off when I joined, it was default on.

Thanks for confirming this. Kinda stupid that they even make it an option for me to set if that's not going to be the default.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Ok, let's get into this. Why are you making the argument for this trade? I get that Hemingway is your brother (which honestly, doesn't make you a very impartial observer), but you shouldn't be the one explaining how the trade could go through. As the trade was proposed, none of that information was presented as a necessity for the trade to work. So, on its face value, the proposal that was presented WILL NOT work. If the presented idea requires it to be a multi-part trade and that the Jets mangle their roster, cutting an additional $4 million of salary to make room for these players, then that needs to be a part of the proposal. Honestly, that's probably a bigger issue than the players involved in the trade. This is the first year we've had to deal with contracts in Madden, so these kinds of things never needed to be considered before. But in general, people don't just cut players from their team any time they feel like it. Some might see this as a means of circumventing the cap...so that's DEFINITELY something that needs community input. As for player ratings, you're just being argumentative here. Stop. The format for presenting trades is listed in the OP. It's only reasonable for people to list the overall ratings as they would relate to our online franchise. Yes, that's different for each team, but how can someone judge a trade for Tom Brady if they don't realize that in the Jets CURRENT system, he's not as valuable? It's not a perfect system, but it's also the first time we've had to deal with players being valued differently. Your comment of "I'm pretty sure everyone realizes trades can't be done/go through until the league starts." again...somewhat argumentative. You JUST got done instructing someone to PM me to get me to "send it through". I guess you feel comfortable enough to just tell people how things are and talk about how you think things should work, but try to recognize your place here. You're a new member. You're not a co-commissioner. You're not in charge of this league. Answering people's questions and then making me have to follow that up with an answer of my own just creates more work for me. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your feedback, but please just tone it down a notch. I'm doing the best I can here, and all I've seen from you lately is argumentative comments and dissention. I've got the interests of 31 other people to try to protect here. If you think it's that simple and you could do a better job running a league, you're welcome to go do so.

Yes it would have to be a 2 part trade. I didn't think every single detail would be needed to be told. Obviously when there are only 3 slots available for trades, and there is a trade of 4 for 3, it would take two separate trades. I just thought this was all being done to make sure the trade is fair. Going forward, I'll be sure to be clearer with details if I have more trades.

As for the cap issues, of course I would drop players to circumvent the cap. This happens in the NFL regularly. The guaranteed money will still count against me, so there is a penalty for it. I don't see why this would need to be a discussion. It's not really cheating, or cheap, considering there are already penalties implemented in the game. I also could trade players for draft picks instead of releasing them if there is a demand.

Originally Posted by dr0ppinL0adz As for the cap issues, of course I would drop players to circumvent the cap. This happens in the NFL regularly. The guaranteed money will still count against me, so there is a penalty for it. I don't see why this would need to be a discussion. It's not really cheating, or cheap, considering there are already penalties implemented in the game. I also could trade players for draft picks instead of releasing them if there is a demand.

Like I said, to me this is the bigger issue as it's something we've never had to deal with before. I'm not sure how people in the league would feel about players being cut from a team as a means for making a trade go through. In a way, anybody could do that to acquire any player they want. I might even consult with the commissioners from the other league just to get other opinions because honestly, this could be a situation they face this year as well.

I didn't mean for trading to seem like there were no limits. Last year, we had a very specific cap for trades (since we had no salary cap system). This is the system we used.

5 trades per season, 3 core players traded away max 90+ Player = 2 core players 80-89 Player = 1 core player 1st round pick = 1 core player

I decided to forego using this system this year in the hope that the salary cap would create enough of a limitation. However, I hadn't planned on people carving up their team to make huge trades possible. As I said, we really need community feedback on that issue. I guess it's good that it's coming up now though rather than half way through the season.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Ok, let's get into this. Why are you making the argument for this trade? I get that Hemingway is your brother (which honestly, doesn't make you a very impartial observer), but you shouldn't be the one explaining how the trade could go through. As the trade was proposed, none of that information was presented as a necessity for the trade to work. So, on its face value, the proposal that was presented WILL NOT work. If the presented idea requires it to be a multi-part trade and that the Jets mangle their roster, cutting an additional $4 million of salary to make room for these players, then that needs to be a part of the proposal. Honestly, that's probably a bigger issue than the players involved in the trade. This is the first year we've had to deal with contracts in Madden, so these kinds of things never needed to be considered before. But in general, people don't just cut players from their team any time they feel like it. Some might see this as a means of circumventing the cap...so that's DEFINITELY something that needs community input. As for player ratings, you're just being argumentative here. Stop. The format for presenting trades is listed in the OP. It's only reasonable for people to list the overall ratings as they would relate to our online franchise. Yes, that's different for each team, but how can someone judge a trade for Tom Brady if they don't realize that in the Jets CURRENT system, he's not as valuable? It's not a perfect system, but it's also the first time we've had to deal with players being valued differently. Your comment of "I'm pretty sure everyone realizes trades can't be done/go through until the league starts." again...somewhat argumentative. You JUST got done instructing someone to PM me to get me to "send it through". I guess you feel comfortable enough to just tell people how things are and talk about how you think things should work, but try to recognize your place here. You're a new member. You're not a co-commissioner. You're not in charge of this league. Answering people's questions and then making me have to follow that up with an answer of my own just creates more work for me. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your feedback, but please just tone it down a notch. I'm doing the best I can here, and all I've seen from you lately is argumentative comments and dissention. I've got the interests of 31 other people to try to protect here. If you think it's that simple and you could do a better job running a league, you're welcome to go do so.

First, my intention wasn't to specifically argue for or against the trade. It was to point out what i thought was incorrect in how you judged the trade. I feel like you worry too much about how each team is handling their cap, when the commish should just be making sure that the compensation is fair and leaving it up to each owner to make sure they comply with cap rules. Obviously, there are exceptions to that where say someone is trading 3 players that make 10 million plus dollars a year for draft picks and low 70 players and the compensation for both owners doesn't make sense. Then i feel you would need to step in and find out their motivations for this trade. However, in this trade compensation is even for both teams. As for this being my brothers trade, i honestly think it's stupid of him to do this trade and would be better for him if you canceled it out. I feel Brady/Hernadez is worth a more in madden than Revis/Hill and i would never want to take on Sanchez's contract because it restricts what you can actually do at the qb position. You can't go out and sign another one because then you'd be stuck with two huge contracts at one position.

Secondly, what i did was not mangling the Jets roster or trying to circumvent the cap by doing something outrageous. These are the players i cut to create enough cap room- Jordan White- 63 wr(440k), Patrick Turner-65 wr(860k), Tanner Purdum 46 te(400k), Konrad Reuland 58 te(390k), Hayden Smith 60 te(500 k), Nick Bellore 67 mlb(500k), Ricky Sapp 67 rolb(350k), Antonio Allen 65 ss(440k). Those cuts leave him with Holmes, Schillens, Gates, Kerley, D. Keller and Hernadez as receiving options. As well as Jeff Cumberland at Te. I also cut 1 mlb, 1 rolb and 1 ss. That leaves him with 4 mlb, 4 rolb and 4 safeties, having 5 at those positions would have been a waste and most of these players would be cut anyway.

I did not think i was being argumentative by simply pointing out that the scheme ratings are pretty much useless. Just because Brady is a 95 in one scheme and a 86 in another does not mean he will play differently. In game he will play exactly the same. If you want to change up your depth chart in game, you'll see that they even list that depth chart by the stock overall rating, not the scheme rating. If anything those ratings only matter if we planned on simming games, which i don't think anyone actually intends on doing.

Fourthly, i never thought i was commissioner. Sorry for being active in the forum and trying to give the guy the advice to PM you before he thinks it's ok to do anything. I wasn't telling him the trade would go through right when you gave him permission, it's pretty obvious you'd have to wait until were in a stage of the game where it would allow it. Sorry for trying to assist, i didn't tell him anything that was game breaking, just said to contact the commish.

Lastly, you say i have come across as argumentative. But throughout this entire thread you have come off as being condescending multiple times, acting as though being commissioner makes you better than the 31 other users and like your opinion is the only one that counts because you created the league. All i was trying to do is give a second opinion, i apologize if being vocal about having an opposing opinion of yourself has offended you.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports I decided to forego using this system this year in the hope that the salary cap would create enough of a limitation. However, I hadn't planned on people carving up their team to make huge trades possible. As I said, we really need community feedback on that issue. I guess it's good that it's coming up now though rather than half way through the season.

So you wait until everyone has picked their teams to bring this up? Many of us including myself picked teams we could build up under the premise that "trading is encouraged". Plus how would that system work with every player being a different scheme? If he's a 90 in my scheme but a 68 in another scheme would it count against me? Or would we just use their real overall?

It's been brought up several times before.

Ok I'm going to throw my 2 cents in on this whole trade thing. If it was up to me I would just use a common sense/plausibility rule. Basically just ask yourself before proposing any trade "Would this trade ever happen in the actual NFL?" In this case ask yourself "Would the Pats, under any circumstances, ever trade Tom Brady (to a hated division rival nonetheless!)?" Same thing from the Jets perspective "Would they ever trade the best CB in the league while still in his prime?"

If you have a trade idea you post it in the thread for opinions on it(like was done here). If the majority of people who comment on the trade have a negative opinion of it then maybe it isn't such a good idea even if it is TECHNICALLY plausible. This is just my 2 cents on this, I have no horse in this race.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 I feel like you worry too much about how each team is handling their cap, when the commish should just be making sure that the compensation is fair and leaving it up to each owner to make sure they comply with cap rules.

Oh, what I "should" be doing. Well, I'm glad I have you to tell me that. I'm sure nobody else thinks that comes off pushy at all.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 Secondly, what i did was not mangling the Jets roster or trying to circumvent the cap by doing something outrageous. These are the players i cut to create enough cap room- Jordan White- 63 wr(440k), Patrick Turner-65 wr(860k), Tanner Purdum 46 te(400k), Konrad Reuland 58 te(390k), Hayden Smith 60 te(500 k), Nick Bellore 67 mlb(500k), Ricky Sapp 67 rolb(350k), Antonio Allen 65 ss(440k). Those cuts leave him with Holmes, Schillens, Gates, Kerley, D. Keller and Hernadez as receiving options. As well as Jeff Cumberland at Te. I also cut 1 mlb, 1 rolb and 1 ss. That leaves him with 4 mlb, 4 rolb and 4 safeties, having 5 at those positions would have been a waste and most of these players would be cut anyway.

You cut 8 players to make this trade go through. You don't think anybody would think that's a bit excessive? I'm not even going to personally comment on it. Let the facts speak for themselves. Regardless of their rating or standing with the team, 8 players had to be released to make room for Brady and Hernandez's contracts. The community can decide if that should be allowed.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 I did not think i was being argumentative by simply pointing out that the scheme ratings are pretty much useless. Just because Brady is a 95 in one scheme and a 86 in another does not mean he will play differently. In game he will play exactly the same. If you want to change up your depth chart in game, you'll see that they even list that depth chart by the stock overall rating, not the scheme rating. If anything those ratings only matter if we planned on simming games, which i don't think anyone actually intends on doing.

As I said, we have to evaluate trades somehow, and player ratings have to be a part of that. If the different ratings don't have any effect on how the player performs in that system, what purpose do they serve?

Originally Posted by Chetty12 Lastly, you say i have come across as argumentative. But throughout this entire thread you have come off as being condescending multiple times, acting as though being commissioner makes you better than the 31 other users and like your opinion is the only one that counts because you created the league. All i was trying to do is give a second opinion, i apologize if being vocal about having an opposing opinion of yourself has offended you.

Show me where I've acted like this? By default, being commissioner is a position of authority. It's not one that I try to lord over people. But decisions have to be made...and they're not always popular. I try to get as much community feedback as possible. But contrary to what your intentions were, you weren't giving feedback. You were telling me how I was wrong and what I should do instead. How do you think that's going to be received? And ultimately, like I said, if you think you can do better, go ahead. No one is stopping you.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 So you wait until everyone has picked their teams to bring this up? Many of us including myself picked teams we could build up under the premise that "trading is encouraged". Plus how would that system work with every player being a different scheme? If he's a 90 in my scheme but a 68 in another scheme would it count against me? Or would we just use their real overall?

Yup, this isn't true at all. The trade policy was discussed numerous times since this thread was created...way before teams were chosen. I stated the entire time that I'd like to not have to use the old trade cap, hoping that EA would do a good enough job with the salary cap that it wouldn't be needed. For the most part, I feel that they have. I just don't think anybody anticipated cutting 15% of your roster to make a trade go through.

Originally Posted by cgarb84 Ok I'm going to throw my 2 cents in on this whole trade thing. If it was up to me I would just use a common sense/plausibility rule. Basically just ask yourself before proposing any trade "Would this trade ever happen in the actual NFL?" In this case ask yourself "Would the Pats, under any circumstances, ever trade Tom Brady (to a hated division rival nonetheless!)?" Same thing from the Jets perspective "Would they ever trade the best CB in the league while still in his prime?" If you have a trade idea you post it in the thread for opinions on it(like was done here). If the majority of people who comment on the trade have a negative opinion of it then maybe it isn't such a good idea even if it is TECHNICALLY plausible. This is just my 2 cents on this, I have no horse in this race.

This pretty much echoes my feelings as well.