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I come to this site to site to find good deals on videogames. I do not come to this site to be preached about morality, fraud, etc, etc.

I am an adult and I do not need to be told what to do and not to do. If I want to ripoff google or wal-mart so be it. It's like telling a smoker to not smoke because it is bad for your health.

So lets keep the Google discount threads alive and lets not ban wal-mart return comments. Each one of us has a right to say what we think and what we do (even if is fraudulent).

You are not my mommy or daddy to tell me what is right and wrong.

Wal-Mart return fraud posts has never been tolerated/allowed.

Originally Posted by oasisboy I am an adult and I do not need to be told what to do and not to do. If I want to ripoff google or wal-mart so be it. It's like telling a smoker to not smoke because it is bad for your health.

Are you comparing smoking (a legal act) to fraud?

Ok I give up.

People can do anything they want. I really doubt that a lot of people on here have never downloaded an mp3, downloaded a ROM, do other legally-questionable things. What we can discuss on this website is a different matter.

Originally Posted by oasisboy I come to this site to site to find good deals on videogames. I do not come to this site to be preached about morality, fraud, etc, etc. I am an adult and I do not need to be told what to do and not to do. If I want to ripoff google or wal-mart so be it. It's like telling a smoker to not smoke because it is bad for your health. So lets keep the Google discount threads alive and lets not ban wal-mart return comments. Each one of us has a right to say what we think and what we do (even if is fraudulent). You are not my mommy or daddy to tell me what is right and wrong.

You have the right to do whatever you want in your life. Return shit to Wal-mart, I don't care.

You don't have the right to post it here though, and I will delete any post of yours that mentions it.

Originally Posted by spoo You are comparing apples to oranges. CAG vs. CC is different grounds this and I never claimed they were the same. Subpoenas can come whenever a company wants info on any user for various reasons. In CC case it was for plagiarism but if Google wanted to subpoena on different cags for suspected fraud would be for fraud not plagiarism. The person using the fraudulent code can get in trouble. Also the person that tells the other user how to fraud GCO could be charged with aiding and abetting fraud. I know it is such a gray area (aiding and abetting) but just because you are sitting behind your computer screen doesn't make it not a crime. Most likely nothing will happen but if google ever wanted to make an example all they would have to do is run a few matching programs and hire a lawyer to sue. Uni you are confused about the difference between a loophole and fraudulent acts. A loophole would be finding in the "Terms of service" that said you could make multiple accounts. Fraud is when it says "One per person/household" but find a way to make multiple accounts. I'm no lawyer but if these companies wanted to prosecute they could and you couldn't use the "Your system let me" excuse. The problem I see is that many users don't realize it's illegal activities to do these things. By having the threads up it gives the message that these activities are legal. Uni, didn't your Mom ever tell you "Two wrongs don't make a right."?

I was mnostly reffering to things like the tropicana contest not GCO.

I will ask about getting prices marked in error but if the store says no I leave it at that. Most recent example was Sears. They had an unlabeled copy of R&C Size Matters in the "$19.99 or less" clearance bin. I asked to buy it and it rang up $39.99. The manager said it was misplaced. I told him it was in the $19.99 bin. He said he couldn't match it and put it back in the case.

My stance is that using multiple accounts to get GCO shouldn't be tolerated. But, threads that are ABOUT GCO and not ABUSING GCO should be left alone. Telling people who visit this site that if you never shopped before using google checkout you can get a really good deal on something is what this site is about. ABUSING GCO isn't... It's like the Club Live Search thread in Freebies Section, it says specifically NO BOT/MACRO talk which means here at CAG they don't condone that kinda behaviour but Club Live is there for legit people too, just like GCO $10 off is there for those who are new too...

I think somehow ending the continuous "Game X is $10 cheaper because you can use GCO, just like every other game that Buy.com sells" threads would be a start. Once that's done, if people feel the need to continue to make new GCO accounts, they can do it, but there won't be a constant discussion about it or encouragement/condoning of the behavior in every thread.

FamilyVideo is almost a similar situation, but at least they actually have deals on stuff up front, then the new member coupon makes it even better - and they have an existing member coupon that is usable more than once, if I'm not mistaken, making the whole deal much more acceptable.

Originally Posted by spoo Are you comparing smoking (a legal act) to fraud?

Smoking is not legal in public places (here in Texas) yet I still see people smoking in prohibited areas and what do I do? I walk away to another area, I do not bother them preaching them about how they are breaking the law or how it is unhealthy...

Originally Posted by Trakan You have the right to do whatever you want in your life. Return shit to Wal-mart, I don't care. You don't have the right to post it here though, and I will delete any post of yours that mentions it.

What happened to freedom of speech???

I guess Cheapy wants to keep this forum PG instead of R.

Originally Posted by TomoyoN My stance is that using multiple accounts to get GCO shouldn't be tolerated.

If my memory is correct, I remember a moderator in this forum boasting how he used GCO multiple times... (I think this was on the original GCO thread like 6 months ago). I also remember I got into an argument with him about why was this allowed to be discussed in the forum considering that wal-mart return comments are not allowed, then he got all defensive stating that Google allowed it so it was ok...

Moderator, you know who you are...

Originally Posted by oasisboy What happened to freedom of speech???

What about it? It has nothing to do with an online forum. If you come to my house and start cursing I can ask you to leave.

Originally Posted by oasisboy What happened to freedom of speech??? I guess Cheapy wants to keep this forum PG instead of R.

Did you really just throw the freedom of speech argument out there?

Morons who think it applies to every facet of existence.

Originally Posted by oasisboy Smoking is not legal in public places (here in Texas) yet I still see people smoking in prohibited areas and what do I do? I walk away to another area, I do not bother them preaching them about how they are breaking the law or how it is unhealthy...

Hey you still don't get it, fraud isn't legal anywhere.

Originally Posted by oasisboy What happened to freedom of speech??? I guess Cheapy wants to keep this forum PG instead of R.

Since when dose freedom of speech apply to anyone/anything except the US government?

Originally Posted by oasisboy If my memory is correct, I remember a moderator in this forum boasting how he used GCO multiple times... (I think this was on the original GCO thread like 6 months ago). I also remember I got into an argument with him about why was this allowed to be discussed in the forum considering that wal-mart return comments are not allowed, then he got all defensive stating that Google allowed it so it was ok... Moderator, you know who you are...

And your point is? Mods are human and make mistakes just like you and I. This discussion is if it should still be allowed not who committed the act and why.

Like the point I said earlier if this website allows it be openly talked about then it is implied that is legal and nothing is wrong with it.

TBH I probably wouldn't try an argue for an incorrectly advertsised price, but I should.

If people just accept this then companies are going to think they can get away with "Bait and Switch" whenever they feel like it. Sometimes honest mistakes do happen, but honestly, how hard is it to proof read something that is going to be sent out to people nationally?

The more we allow them to get away with, the more they'll try and get away with.

As for the Walmart return thing, thats stealing, no two ways about it. I think posts about that should be banned.

I'm glad this thread was created, it's good to remove this discussion from the deals threads.

Originally Posted by spoo Hey you still don't get it, fraud isn't legal anywhere.

My point is that you should leave people alone and not preach to them about fraud.

Originally Posted by spoo Since when dose freedom of speech apply to anyone/anything except the US government?

Freedom of speech should be allowed everywhere. Especially in a messageboard.

Originally Posted by spoo And your point is? Mods are human and make mistakes just like you and I.

My point is that some people in this board are hypocrites. "Lets ban those walmart comments but its ok to abuse google" , WTF? It is human to err but you cannot have double standards. I find it funny that this moderator kept arguing with me about how what he did to google was ok, yet this same moderator was so passionate about blocking the wal-mart comments...

Originally Posted by oasisboy Freedom of speech should be allowed everywhere. Especially in a messageboard.

You're an idiot.

The entire reason moderators exist is because a message board that wants to maintain any kind of relevance can not allow freedom of speech. So we should allow all the spam threads looking for clicks in the deal forums? In fact let's turn the trading forum into a place for personals ads, since you know, freedom of speech and all. In fact, if you'd like to take the PC gaming forum and turn it into a discussion of various ways to build a bomb, we should probably allow that too. You know, free speech and all, wouldn't want to take that away from you.

Moron.

Originally Posted by oasisboy My point is that you should leave people alone and not preach to them about fraud. Freedom of speech should be allowed everywhere. Especially in a messageboard. My point is that some people in this board are hypocrites. "Lets ban those walmart comments but its ok to abuse google" , WTF? It is human to err but you cannot have double standards. I find it funny that this moderator kept arguing with me about how what he did to google was ok, yet this same moderator was so passionate about blocking the wal-mart comments...

I did use Google Checkout a few different times, but I did not 'brag' about it. Once they told me that they canceled an order, I stopped using it.

I do not make the rules for this site. I help to enforce them. I personally know for a fact that Cheapy does not want discussion of Wal-Mart returns on CAG. He has not said anything about the Google Checkout deals. If and when he does, the discussion of them on CAG will stop.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...28#post3310728

Originally Posted by Damian Could you change the title to "Deals for people who like to defraud Google and/or are too stupid to sort by price on the EBGames.com site"? Thanks.

Originally Posted by oasisboy All the people whinning about this thread are the same ones that love the Wii in stock threads. Can't you all read Speedy's threads??

But now in this thread, it's "Don't tell me I'm not supposed to defraud Google! You're not my mommy! Freedom of speech!"

So which is it? Should we deride those who talk out against fraud (as you have), or should we join their ranks (as you now have done)? If you want to argue a point, fine, but figure out what the you're trying to argue so you at least make sense.

Originally Posted by contej85 You're an idiot. Moron.

You have to love it when people start calling other people idiots and morons for stating their points of view. The classic "you are an idiot" because I do not agree with you.

At least I have class and I do not call people idiots and morons if I do not agree with them.