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Originally Posted by help1 for live? Fine! its only 50 dollars, you act like you are breaking the bank !

Apparently it is, since some people arent buying the thing because they were betting on $199.

Botticus touched upon this and I agree, he is simply stating that Wii is pretty much a GC from the developmental standpoint. Basicall you can argue that Windows Vista is "basically" a Windows 95 in the sense that functionally, they are pretty much the same. Of course a Pentium 66mhz can run Windows 95 but Vista would rape that same PC till its ass looked like this (_O_)

Originally Posted by botticus Umm... Microsoft charges for online AND uses microtransactions. Of course, arguing against MS charging for online is just as dumb as people arguing about Nintendo making a profit on hardware.

O RLY? We'll see if that continues IF (And that's a big ing IF) Sony and Nintendo bring comparable services to the table. Yes they said they're doing this and that but lets see how long that flies without charging for the service or plastering ads or whatever other money making scenarios they come up with. Bottom line is Servers cost money. Bandwidth costs money. Maintenance costs money. Where do you expect that money to come from? Microtransactions alone? Sony and Nintendo are in the business to make money too. MT and ad's can't do it alone and still allow a stellar service. I sure the hell hope I'm proven wrong though.

Originally Posted by CappyCobra O RLY? We'll see if that continues IF (And that's a big ing IF) Sony and Nintendo bring comparable services to the table.

Um.

They won't. At least Nintendo won't. And we've known that for a while.

Dunno why people think making a case about something they've already been given the details about somehow makes them look strong in argument.

Originally Posted by CappyCobra O RLY? We'll see if that continues IF (And that's a big ing IF) Sony and Nintendo bring comparable services to the table. Yes they said they're doing this and that but lets see how long that flies without charging for the service or plastering ads or whatever other money making scenarios they come up with. Bottom line is Servers cost money. Bandwidth costs money. Maintenance costs money. Where do you expect that money to come from? Microtransactions alone? Sony and Nintendo are in the business to make money too. MT and ad's can't do it alone and still allow a stellar service. I sure the hell hope I'm proven wrong though.

Up to this point, they've supported the Wi-Fi Connection for DS without a problem, and no ads and no microtransactions. They're probably losing a small amount of money on it, but that's the beauty of profiting off your product. VC will probably take care of their costs pretty well. Is it as full-featured as Live? No. But it will allow online play, which is really the only reason I need internet access on my console.

I don't even know why the argument turned to Live, nor do I know what is being argued, but the fact is internet access costs money with the 360.

Originally Posted by Dr Mario Kart The only legs that the system has is the Remote concept. If you wouldnt buy it as an accessory for the Gamecube in that fictional scenario, then you really shouldnt get a Wii.

Because support for the add-on Wiimote at $60 for the Mote-Chuck setup would have been just as big as for a whole new console with it, right? Oh, and the Wii doesn't have any sort of online capability at all, either.

I thought Miyamoto was retiring soon anyway, who cares what he says. Let some fresh blood breathe some new life into Nintendo.

Originally Posted by botticus I hope you're being ironic, because that same $50 is apparently breaking the bank for many potential Wii buyers.

I am. Just shows the Nintendo fanboys who claim the 50 dolalrs for live is ridiculous, how it is the same when the console is 50 dollars too much.

I honestly won't buy a Wii until it hits $150 or less. Its really not worth much more then that. I got suckered into buying a GameCube and DS and they sucked near launch and only got better a year later after a price drop. The Wii is completely over priced IMO for what it is. I will get one eventually however.

And we all know the graphics on the Wii are not as good as that of the 360 and PS3.

Originally Posted by Michaellvortega I thought Miyamoto was retiring soon anyway, who cares what he says. Let some fresh blood breathe some new life into Nintendo.

He'll sit as an advisor until the day he dies. Mark my words.

Originally Posted by botticus Before anyone gets carried away with this on either side of the argument, please keep the context of the interview in mind: Yes, the GC is "basically a GameCube," but Miyamoto is hardly discussing the technical capabilities of the system, he's commenting from the development standpoint.

Yup. Thanks for being the one to point that out. Too many people are missing that...

As long as the Wii feels next-gen im ok with. if not then i'd rather play Mario on

a 'Cube than play the same game with a gimmicky controller.

Originally Posted by botticus Miyamoto: For a brief period of time, some of the staff said, "The Wii has better capabilities than the GC so lets improve the graphics." But Zelda fans aren’t really looking forward to a improved version of the game and are only looking for it to be fun so, I said all we have to do is make something fun for both the Wii and GC. Recently, we finally reached the conclusion that, "the Wii isn’t a console seeking for the next generation graphics." Of course, there are games that seek to have good graphics so you’ll see the titles split up that way.

Hey, Miyamoto, when you redesign the Wind Waker, can you make the last portion of the game fun and not such a hunting around shitfest? I would venture to guess that would make the game more "fun".

BTW, I could care less if it was a souped up N64 as long as the games are fun. Look at how many sweet DS and GBA games are out with inferior graphics .. quite a few.

hey since the wii is "just a GC" then is this the reason why it still has codenames Broadway and Hollywood in its system specs since they are the same as GC's... just a thought

"Lincoln was shot" says Miyamoto
"Dinosaurs roamed the Earth" says Miyamoto
"Let there be light" says Miyamoto

Originally Posted by Sgt. Baker Disney World is family friendly too. But that's expensive. Is Disney World bullshit? Or are you just pissed they don't send you the console for free in the mail with samples of Tide?

Disney World cost countless ammounts of money to develope and biuld and mantain. All Nintendo has to do is build a system with tech that has been around for years and stick it in a box. The developement of the Wii is not worth $150+.

Originally Posted by David85 Disney World cost countless ammounts of money to develope and biuld and mantain. All Nintendo has to do is build a system with tech that has been around for years and stick it in a box. The developement of the Wii is not worth $150+.

Let's be honest. We can't prove that either way.

Just like we can't prove that Bluray is worth X amount.

And thankfully, that's not our decision.

Originally Posted by David85 Disney World cost countless ammounts of money to develope and biuld and mantain. All Nintendo has to do is build a system with tech that has been around for years and stick it in a box. The developement of the Wii is not worth $150+.

Oh, how I love ignorant posts like this.

And I mean ignorant in its true definition, sans its negative connotation. "Without knowledge." That is, without any epirical evidence to back anything up, but that's easily fixed. Speaking about something you've only read about on the intrawebz like you know every stage of its development is just silly. Wait until you have some real experience with it and then judge whether or not it's worth it to you.

And Botticus hit the nail on the head (as others have after him). Cube software can be ported in-tact to the Wii. Wow, big surprise these, it's plays them natively. Does that mean it can't do far and away more than the Cube? Not at all. Will it? Most likely.

But seriously, if someone is buying the Wii for some super graphics machine, they've not been paying attention and just don't get it.

Originally Posted by Mr Unoriginal What thread are you talking about? Almost everything I've been reading about the Wii both here and elsewhere has stated that it won't be much more than a GCN. This is no big shock.

I don't know, there's a lot of people here that seem to want to believe the Wii will outpower the 360, and everything Nintendo's shown has been purposely made to look like Gamecube graphics to surprise us. In retrospect, those are truly the most retarded things I've ever heard.

Originally Posted by Strell Um. They won't. At least Nintendo won't. And we've known that for a while. Dunno why people think making a case about something they've already been given the details about somehow makes them look strong in argument.

Tell that to people who STILL complain about XBL being $50 a year considering the experiance and seemless presentation you get compared to what others are offering. Not to mention not having to worry about lame ass gameshark/lag cheaters. The pros and cons have already been discussed I agree, but yet people still toss it back into the arena so don't fault me for it.

Back to topic, I hope the VC takes off and wakes Nintendo up to the capabilties to the online community. It's be nice to do some co-op with the classics. Will it happen? I'm not holding my breath.