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I don't think I have yet seen an exhibited rationale as to why abortion on demand is just a plain ugly fact of life. Now I am against abortion as birth control, I am for keeping it safe and legal. However this is the "ugliest" woman I think I have ever come across and it's completely because of her own words and actions. She would rather keep her "lifestyle" than deal with the consequences of her actions. The following is cut and pasted from the New York Times, I have provided a link but for ease of reading I just decided to post it. You need to be a non-paying subscriber but it's a pain in the ass to set up a NYT account.

I grew up in a working-class family in Pennsylvania not knowing my father. I have never missed not having him. I firmly believe that, but for much of my life I felt that what I probably would have gained was economic security and with that societal security. Growing up with a single mother, I was always buying into the myth that I was going to be seduced in the back of a pickup truck and become pregnant when I was 16. I had friends when I was in school who were helping to rear nieces and nephews, because their siblings, who were not much older, were having babies. I had friends from all over the class spectrum: I saw the nieces and nephews on the one hand and country-club memberships and station wagons on the other. I felt I was in the middle. I had this fear: What would it take for me to just slip? Now I'm 34. My boyfriend, Peter, and I have been together three years. I'm old enough to presume that I wasn't going to have an easy time becoming pregnant. I was tired of being on the pill, because it made me moody. Before I went off it, Peter and I talked about what would happen if I became pregnant, and we both agreed that we would have the child. I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician. The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a long pause, then she said, ''Are you sure you didn't take fertility drugs?'' I said, ''I'm positive.'' Peter and I were very shocked when she said there were three. ''You know, this changes everything,'' she said. ''You'll have to see a specialist.'' My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March. I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April. I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year. There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that. But it was a matter of, Do I want to? I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ''Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more. Having felt physically fine up to this point, I got on the subway afterward, and all of a sudden, I felt ill. I didn't want to eat anything. What I was going through seemed like a very unnatural experience. On the subway, Peter asked, ''Shouldn't we consider having triplets?'' And I had this adverse reaction: ''This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say, but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I was already at eight weeks. When I found out about the triplets, I felt like: It's not the back of a pickup at 16, but now I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep down I was ever considering it. The specialist called me back at 10 p.m. I had just finished watching a Boston Pops concert at Symphony Hall. As everybody burst into applause, I watched my cellphone vibrating, grabbed it and ran into the lobby. He told me that he does a detailed sonogram before doing a selective reduction to see if one fetus appears to be struggling. The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus. There are a lot more complications when a woman carries multiples. And so, from the doctor's perspective, it's a matter of trying to save the woman this trauma. After I talked to the specialist, I told Peter, ''That's what I'm going to do.'' He replied, ''What we're going to do.'' He respected what I was going through, but at a certain point, he felt that this was a decision we were making. I agreed. When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand alone was three days older. There was something psychologically comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one. Before the procedure, I was focused on relaxing. But Peter was staring at the sonogram screen thinking: Oh, my gosh, there are three heartbeats. I can't believe we're about to make two disappear. The doctor came in, and then Peter was asked to leave. I said, ''Can Peter stay?'' The doctor said no. I know Peter was offended by that. Two days after the procedure, smells no longer set me off and I no longer wanted to eat nothing but sour-apple gum. I went on to have a pretty seamless pregnancy. But I had a recurring feeling that this was going to come back and haunt me. Was I going to have a stillbirth or miscarry late in my pregnancy? I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming pregnant again is terrifying. Am I going to have quintuplets? I would do the same thing if I had triplets again, but if I had twins, I would probably have twins. Then again, I don't know.

This is the absolute height of selfishness and an example of the completely "me" focused American society. There are hundreds of thousands of couples that would have adopted her twins. Meanwhile this ugly woman gets to sit down and tell her son that "I killed your twin brothers or sisters. I wanted to save you from a life growing up on Staten Island and shopping at Costco. Now enjoy your latte and tell your psychiatrist you now have enough survival and edipal issues to deal with for a lifetime."

This is the sickest woman and article I think I've seen on the issue in my lifetime. Funny thing is it's supposed to be emotionally gripping. Instead I hope this woman falls in front of the A train.

New York Times "Lives" Article

Yeah, she should be hung. I do remember one other story that bothered me a couple months ago about a woman that didn't have a c-section. She was warned that she was endangering her child several times. She told the doctor that she didn't want the scar. I wish I had the article link on CNN. The child died because of her ignorance.

Eh. I'd bet 2 out of 3 would have died under her "parenting" anyway. This is just streamlining the process.

Sick, Sick, Sick.

I know this makes me sound old, but what kind of world are we living in??

What kind of doctor can ethically make that decision?! The almighty dollar rules all.

What kind of wife would put her husband through that? It's pretty apparent that the husband was NOT comfortable with HER decision. It makes me ill to know that my sister and bro-in-law are trying to adopt, and there are people killing their own children for "cosmetic" reasons.

''Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?''

Are you freaking kidding me???

Of course, for every terrible mom like this there's ones like this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677630/ who are 100% Government Certified "The Shit."

That's....I don't even know what....
Selective breeding, first the Nazis, now this psycho.
Forget abortion, how about forced sterilization at birth until you can prove you're not a PSYCHO SELFISH LAZY B*TCH.
[The one above. The self-Caesarean case is mindboggling in her bravery and selflessness.]

Its people like that wich help laws get passed that would make rape victims carry their assailants child.

That woman should be be locked up.

The kid she has should immediately be taken away from her, seeing as she won't raise this one either, because it would be an inconveince to stay home with the kid.

Originally Posted by PittsburghAfterDark New York Times "Lives" Article

What kind of dumb logic is this? I've already killed a set of twuns because they were going to be too much with another kid... but if I had twins again I'd keep them this time? When it comes to rape vistims I'm totally understanding... or maybe if the woman's life was in danger. But this? I can't even dignify it with a response its so horrendous.

Just to play devil's advocate here, since I think we're in obvious agreement that what she was did was at the least, very highly morally questionable...

We're already massively overpopulated. Would it better if
a) She aborted all 3 of them?
b) Rather than raising one child (it seems that she'll clearly never have another one) with all the resources that she and her husband can provide -- remember that if she has all 3 kids she's going to have a major setback financially, not only from 2 more mouths to feed but also short and long-term damage to her career -- she SHOULD keep all 3 kids, despite that it means a less secure and stable life for all 3?

She would have to stay at home to take care of three babies, thus negating her own source of income, unless they could afford to have daycare for all 3 babies, which would be another issues. Not to mention the costs of raising them, sending them to college in the future, etc. Isn't there something to putting all their effort into raising one child?

IMO she's a poor writer because she didn't raise these issues and try to at least make herself look better, because she doesn't sound like the person who would completely ignore these arguments against having the children either.

She decided to take a morally drastic option by aborting two of them, but I do think there's something to the fact that she and her husband will be able to take care of 1 child much better than three. As sickening as it may sound to abort your children out of practical concerns, it's unrealistic to rule it out. There's a huge difference between one baby and three.

As for the adoption argument, that is true, she could have given up the kids to be adopted. But that's just passing the mouths to feed to someone else, and last I heard we're not nearly out of homeless orphans, and the process to adopt is still as stringent as it ever was (rightfully so, though I'm not sure about the whole anti-gay parents thing.)

I'm not trying to get anyone riled up, but I just want to say there's more to this than 'she's just a total evil bitch.'

We're not massively overpopulated; the average personpersquarekilometer is 42, the US is currently at 31. Certainly some areas are overcrowded, but those areas also happen to be in general more expensive. So a family of 5 could be raised in North Dakota for not much more than a family of 3 in Manhattan, if not less, forexample.
Secondly even if that were the case--even cheaper than a single kid is a vasectomy, the tubes tied, the pill, or condoms.
There isa huge difference between one baby and three. Millions of couples who can't have kids would love to adopt two healthy triplets.
I'm sorry, I still see this as 110% egotistic and selfish. If she had aborted all of them, I'm against abortion, but I could 'understand' her thinking.
It's more expensive and emotionally draining to raise mentally or physically handicapped children as well; should we abort them because mom [or dad] would have to 'stay at home' and daycare costs would be more?
Someone who's concerned only about 'practicality' shouldn't have kids at all--they are one of the least practical things, nowadays, to have.

geez... that woman sounds so selfish. this part makes me the sickest: "When I found out about the triplets, I felt like: It's not the back of a pickup at 16, but now I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise."

to the woman, "ever hear of adoption?!" i try not to get into the middle of these posts, but man oh man... this woman had more options than just 2 (taking care of all 3 or killing off the twins).

Somewhere in hell, a demon is setting up a room filled with nothing but an infinite number of tubs of spoiled Cost-co mayonaise for this disgrace to sup on for the rest of existance.

i can't believe she put in the thing about her boyfriend talking about the heartbeat in there

Self Centered Bit**

That is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever read. The selfishness and disrespect of life of many in this world absolutely amaze me.

"Somewhere in hell, a demon is setting up a room filled with nothing but an infinite number of tubs of spoiled Cost-co mayonaise for this disgrace to sup on for the rest of existance."

I hope so.

How someone could be so damned selfish is beyond me. I hope she enjoys those cans of mayonnaise in hell.

Totally the opposite, though, the woman who performed her own Caesarean. I'm not sure I could have done the same.

This woman disgusts me. Unfortunately she is too selfish to notice what a piece of slime she really is.

There are so many things wrong with this woman I don't know where to begin. Unmarried mother...abortion for the wrong reasons because too many at once would be an "inconvience".

This stupid woman is going to find out soon that parenthood is one big inconvience. I don't even want to think what she is going to do to her one remaining child then. Not wanting to carry 3 at once because of bed rest and losing work? There are plenty of women out there who get put on bedrest for one child, much less three.

I'll bet a million dollars in a few years this woman will start having more children, only singly.

Originally Posted by jmcc Of course, for every terrible mom like this there's ones like this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677630/ who are 100% Government Certified "The Shit."

Ok this lady is hardcore. She definetly earns mother's day every year, this other female (she's definetly not deserving of any term better than that) that the thread was created for on the other hand...