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Old 07-21-2004, 02:48 PM   #1
The education president.

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To make up for cutting billions from education and for making the "No Child Left Behind" act, Greorge W. Bush staged a photo op which must have helped kids learn, but I don't know how.



"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
—George W. Bush


No editing here, folks. That is a real picture and the quote was spoken by George W. Bush. Nothing has been changed.
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:01 PM   #2
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To make up for cutting billions from education and for making the "No Child Left Behind" act, Greorge W. Bush staged a photo op which must have helped kids learn, but I don't know how.

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
—George W. Bush


No editing here, folks. That is a real picture and the quote was spoken by George W. Bush. Nothing has been changed.
While that is fantastically cute, Bush has increased spending on education by billions, not the other way around...

I love when people just make stuff up.
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:05 PM   #3
Gotta love the upside-down book.
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:12 PM   #4
damn thats embarrasing
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:14 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Quackzilla
To make up for cutting billions from education and for making the "No Child Left Behind" act, Greorge W. Bush staged a photo op which must have helped kids learn, but I don't know how.

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
—George W. Bush


No editing here, folks. That is a real picture and the quote was spoken by George W. Bush. Nothing has been changed.
While that is fantastically cute, Bush has increased spending on education by billions, not the other way around...

I love when people just make stuff up.
and *I* love when people refute one unsupported statement with another.
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:38 PM   #6
Some articles on the subject. There were many more, but I have to work. Enjoy!

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/21/bush.wrap/

See fifth paragraph:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/j...20030613.shtml

http://edworkforce.house.gov/issues/...heet020403.htm

This one seems to support the cuts:
http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/...ional-cuts.pdf
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:03 PM   #7
http://harkin.senate.gov/budget/index.cfm

You want charts and stuff dig them up yourselves.

All I give you is a quick googled link because I know nobody will read it anyway.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:06 PM   #8
Quite frankly education decisions and funding don't belong at the federal level. The school boards are locally elected, the majority of funding typically come from property taxes and everytime the state or feds give you money it has bureaucratic strings attached. It is not the role of the federal government to fund your schools, period.

The biggest problem teachers unions and Dems have with Bush's plans is he's in favor of block granting money to states. What does that mean? Here's a chunk of money, you decide what to do with it. Your needs and priorities may be different than ours besides, it's your money to begin with we can't tell you how to use it.

If the Dems can't put controls on the money that encourage their continued stay in power.... they hate it. Remember when it comes to money in Washington "Money is power.". Now follow the trail and see what groups are encouraging increased federal spending on education before condemning anything.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:18 PM   #9
I hate, HATE to come to the defense of Bush, but the photo in question is Photoshoped.

Look at the image on the back of the girl's book and then look at G-dub's

It looks like it was mirrored rather than rotated.

Bushes left index finger is pointing to a leaf-shaped black blob near the spine of the book, if you look straight up from the little girl's right thumb, you'll see that same black blob near the outside of the book.

I realy hate things like this, trying to pass altered images as real.

Besides, with Bush's track record, who needs to make up something to make him look bad?

EDIT: clarified the evidence against the image.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:37 PM   #10
Claim: Photograph captures President George W. Bush holding a book upside-down in a classroom.

Status: False. http://www.snopes.com/photos/bushbook.asp

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Origins: This may be a funny picture, but even if were real, it would still be just a funny picture. If it weren't a manipulated image, it could have come about because an aide handed the book to President Bush for a quick schoolroom photo opportunity, the President didn't immediately notice it was upside-down because he was looking at the student to his right, and a photographer managed to snap a picture before the error was corrected. It might also be possible (but hard to determine from this image) that the books President Bush and the student were holding had removable dust jacket-type covers, but the cover of the President's copy had been put on backwards, so it looked as if he were holding the book upside-down even though he really wasn't.
The photo does show some tell-tale signs of digital editing, so the real explanation is that someone took an existing picture and flipped the image of the book in President Bush's hands. Note, for example, that the picture on the back of the book in the student's hands and the one on the back of the book President Bush is holding are the reverse of each other, a dead giveaway that the photo was manipulated.

Like Bush or dislike Bush, at least don't use faked images [note: I don't support the faked images of Kerry and Fonda either.]

Regarding education: Regardless of educatio spending going up or down, education is best handled by the local and county levels. Throwing money at school systems doesn't inherently mean 'smarter kids.' I heard on the radio a comparison of average teacher salaries versus childrens' performance. In NO instances did performance rise as salaries went up [on a non-merit basis], and in most cases, it was the opposite.
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Old 07-21-2004, 06:54 PM   #11
DODE! You rule! I'm voting for Kerry now!! THNAK YOU!!!1
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Old 07-21-2004, 07:01 PM   #12
No child left behind is the worst federal education initiative ever. It encourages teaching to the lowest common denominator. Also, instead of helping schools that fail, it cuts funding from them because if a school did poorly with money it will do a lot better with no money.
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Old 07-21-2004, 10:44 PM   #13
We can argue whether or not Bush cut funding for education. We can argue whether or not the photo of him holding an upside-down book is real or not..

But one thing is for certain, he did say the following quote:

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
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Old 07-21-2004, 11:33 PM   #14
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Quite frankly education decisions and funding don't belong at the federal level. The school boards are locally elected, the majority of funding typically come from property taxes and everytime the state or feds give you money it has bureaucratic strings attached. It is not the role of the federal government to fund your schools, period.

The biggest problem teachers unions and Dems have with Bush's plans is he's in favor of block granting money to states. What does that mean? Here's a chunk of money, you decide what to do with it. Your needs and priorities may be different than ours besides, it's your money to begin with we can't tell you how to use it.

If the Dems can't put controls on the money that encourage their continued stay in power.... they hate it. Remember when it comes to money in Washington "Money is power.". Now follow the trail and see what groups are encouraging increased federal spending on education before condemning anything.
No offense dude, but you are ed in the head!

I have heard pot smoking hippies make political statements that make more sense than that.


If your gonna pull something out of your ass at least wipe the shit off first!
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Old 07-22-2004, 12:02 AM   #15
one thing you cannot dispute is the irony of no child left behind.

He states this, but kids who cannot pass the standard academic test in the state of texas(TAAS), end up not taking the test.

You can refute that up and down, but 5-6 kids were pulled from each class every year to boost performance levels and make schools look better than they are.
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Old 07-22-2004, 02:58 AM   #16
the stupid kids.
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Old 07-22-2004, 10:50 AM   #17
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND...


...as long as they can afford it.
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:39 PM   #18
i blame gay marriage
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