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I'll start out with the television ratings for the 10-11PM EDT hour the networks gave the convention and compare them with the 2000 convention that nominated Al Gore.

ABC News Jennings 3.5 RATING/5 SHARE [DOWN FROM 4.5/8 IN 2000]
NBC News Brokaw 3.3/5 [2000:4.8/9]
CBS News Dan Rather 3.2/5 [2000:3.8/7]

In cable news FOX News is not giving the DNC gavel to gavel coverage and MSNBC and CNN executives have already decried FOX for not showing the opening performance of the national anthem. During the Al Gore speech Bill O'Reilly showed a bit of it and cut away sneering at the sheer lies Gore was telling in the >2 minutes he covered the speech.

For those of you that are saying the Michael Moore/moveon.org/democrats underground.com wing of the DNC is not controlling the debate and the tone of the election? Why look at who is sitting in the Presidential box next to James Earl Carter. Why, it's Michael Moore... the moderate.


Next we'll examine John Kerry's latest poll numbers that will support the claim I made last week that John Kerry and John Edwards will recive no perceptable bounce in poll numbers from this week of events. Here are the latest ABC/Washington Post poll numbers on some key election issues.

Issue Now: Bush Now: Kerry Month Ago: Bush Month Ago: Kerry
Terrorism 55 37 48 47
Taxes 49 43 41 53
Health Care 44 47 38 56
Iraq 52 40 49 47
Education 44 45 43 52
Economy 47 46 45 50

Trust to Handle Terrorism
Group Now: Bush Now: Kerry In June: Bush In June: Kerry
Women 46 43 40 56
Moderates 50 43 42 54
Independents 50 40 48 48

Vote Preference Among Issue Groups
Most Important Issue Now: Bush Now: Kerry June: Bush June: Kerry
Economy (27%) 46 47 37 54
Iraq (21%) 30 63 33 60
Terrorism (20%) 79 17 76 20

I was overwhelmingly shocked by that lead on the terrorism issue.

Candidate Attributes
Best Describes:
Now: Bush Now: Kerry June: Bush June: Kerry
Honest 46% 40 40 52
Consistent 64 24 60 34
Understands 42 46 37 55
Strong leader 55 36 50 45
Shares Your 49 43 46 48
Values
Will Make the 54 38 53 42
Country Safer
Link to ABC News/Washington Post Poll Results

Next out of the news headlines! Rolling here.....

Whoopi Goldberg now considered "radioactive" by Kerry campaign. Translation: Thanks for the money, sorry you got fired from Slim Fast now stay the Shaq'fu away from us or you'll cost us votes. Say, hi Michael! Would you like me to walk you to your seat next to President Carter?

The good news is that tonight is Chappaquiddick night at the DNC in Boston. This year marks the 35th summer anniversary of Ted's valiant romp in the Massachusetts night to save his own life while letting Mary Jo Kopechne take one for the remnants of Camelot. So let's hear it for Ted and his display of aquarobics! For those of you not familiar with Chappaquiddick here's a helpful summary page.

Now the big news from the big cheese, John F'ing Kerry himself, is that he would extend the 9/11 commision for another 18 months.... 18 months longer from when they submitted thier FINAL REPORT. Nothing like keeping groups of government employees around longer than their stated reason for being huh? This is really, really useful. As always.... LINKY LINKY! In the same article JFK wannabe states that

"If I'd been president last week, I would have immediately said to the commission 'yes, we're going to implement those recommendations,"' Kerry said. "Leadership requires that we act decisively. Not talk. Not vague promises. Not excuses. Pedaling and back-pedaling is something America can't afford."

Isn't that just peachy?

If he were President he would have steamrolled Congress back into session over their long scheduled summer recess. He would have forgone his own convention to ipliment recommendations before ink on the paper was dry and the CIA, NSA, FBI, DIA or Pentagon had a chance to agree, disagree or even say "we're already in the process of doing that". But dammit! We would have had ACTION! We would be acting decisvely! America would be safe by the time NFL training camps broke!

Okay, that's enough for today. Now remember to grab your snorkels and watch Uncle Ted preach about morality and public service virtue tonight.

By the way? Why haven't we heard about gay marriage from Boston yet? Isn't Massachusetts the pioneer in one of the last great "civil rights" issues of our times?

In honor of Uncle Ted I am going to have a scotch during his speech tonight....well quite a few.

yup, Moore showed up to the convention in bluejeans and an MSU cap - oh yeah, 'cause he "represents the people."

What an anus.

I love hearing just one side of a story from PAD

There are too many of these slanted hate stories on this board, give it a rest.

Originally Posted by The_Continental yup, Moore showed up to the convention in bluejeans and an MSU cap - oh yeah, 'cause he "represents the people." What an anus.

Who are you? The ing fashion police?

Nope, just someone with a sense of appropriateness and class. What the left fails to realize, is that Moore will prove to be a liability for them. Sure, he may be able to drop a $100 "documentary" and show up to political convestions looking like a couch potato, but I think the left will soon find that the everyman resents Moore, and will refuse to vote left accordingly.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla Who are you? The shaq-fuing fashion police?

PittsburgAfterDark -

When I go to the "CAG's "vs. mode": Politics and Other Such Controversies", I see 10 threads that you started, 7 of which are bashing democrats.

Start one thread and stop cluttering the message boards with the same theme every freakin' day. It's getting old.

I love the ratings slide during this convention. Looks to me that people are already sick of all this political BS and are doing something constructive with their time. I think the ratings will be the same for the RNC too.

Originally Posted by The_Continental Nope, just someone with a sense of appropriateness and class. What the left fails to realize, is that Moore will prove to be a liability for them. Sure, he may be able to drop a $100 "documentary" and show up to political convestions looking like a couch potato, but I think the left will soon find that the everyman resents Moore, and will refuse to vote left accordingly.

You can stand behind self righteusness and make nasty accusations at people, but I also have freedom of speech and so does Michael Moore, even though most people here don't beleive he should have that "god given right".

Here is Michael Moores essay "Patriots Act".

Originally Posted by Michael Moore What's more American than asking questions? New York - As a young boy, I loved the American flag. I'd lead my younger sisters in patriotic parades up and down the sidewalk, waving the flag, blowing a whistle and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance over and over until my sisters begged me to let them go back to their Easy-Bake Oven. I loved singing the national anthem. I won an essay contest on "What the Flag Means to Me." I decorated my bicycle with little American flags for a Fourth of July parade and won a prize for that too. I became an Eagle Scout and proudly promised to do my duty to God and country. And every year I asked to be the one who planted the flag on the grave of my uncle, a paratrooper who was killed in World War II. I was taught to admire his sacrifice, and I hoped to grow up and do my part, as he had, to keep us free. But, in high school, things changed. Nine boys from my school came back home from Vietnam in boxes. Draped over each coffin was the American flag. I knew that they also had made a sacrifice. But their sacrifice wasn't for their country: They were sent to die by men who lied to them. Those men - presidents, senators, government officials - wrapped themselves in the flag too, hoping that their lies would never be questioned, never be discovered. They wrapped themselves in the very flag that was placed on the coffins of my friends and neighbors. I stopped singing the national anthem at football games, and I stopped putting out the flag. I realize now I never should have stopped. For too long now we have abandoned our flag to those who see it as a symbol of war and dominance, as a way to crush dissent at home. Flags are flying from the back of SUVs, rising high above car dealerships, plastering the windows of businesses and adorning paper bags from fast-food restaurants. But these flags are intended to send a message: "You're either with us or you're against us," "Bring it on!" or "Watch what you say, watch what you do." Those who absconded with our flag now use it as a weapon against those who question America's course. They remind me of that famous 1976 photo of an anti-busing demonstrator in Boston thrusting a large American flag on a pole into the stomach of the first black man he encountered. These so-called patriots hold the flag tightly in their grip and, in a threatening pose, demand that no one ask questions. Those who speak out find themselves shunned at work, harassed at school, booed off Oscar stages. The flag has become a muzzle, a piece of cloth stuffed into the mouths of those who dare to ask questions. I think it's time for those of us who love this country - and everything it should stand for - to reclaim our flag from those who would use it to crush rights and freedoms, both here at home and overseas. We need to redefine what it means to be a proud American. If you are one of those who love what President Bush has done for this country and believe you must blindly follow the president to deserve to fly the flag, you should ask yourself some difficult questions about just how proud you are of the America we now inhabit: Are you proud that one in six children lives in poverty in America? Are you proud that 40 million adult Americans are functional illiterates? Are you proud that the bulk of the jobs being created these days are low- and minimum-wage jobs? Are you proud of asking your fellow Americans to live on $5.15 an hour? Are you proud that, according to a National Geographic Society survey, 85% of young adult Americans cannot find Iraq on the map (and 11% cannot find the United States!) ? Are you proud that the rest of the world, which poured out its heart to us after Sept. 11, now looks at us with disdain and disgust? Are you proud that nearly 3 billion people on this planet do not have access to clean drinking water when we have the resources and technology to remedy this immediately? Are you proud of the fact that our president sent our soldiers off to a war that had nothing to do with the self-defense of this country? If these things represent what it means to be an American these days - and I am an American - should I hang my head in shame? No. Instead, I intend to perform what I believe is my patriotic duty. I can't think of a more American thing to do than raise questions - and demand truthful answers - when our leader wants to send our sons and daughters off to die in a war. If we don't do that - the bare minimum - for those who offer to defend our country, then we have failed them and ourselves. They offer to die for us, if necessary, so that we can be free. All they ask in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. And with this war, we have broken faith with our troops by sending them off to be killed and maimed for wrong and immoral reasons. This is the true state of disgrace we are living in. I hope we can make it up someday to these brave kids (and older men and women in our reserves and National Guard) . They deserve an apology, they deserve our thanks - and a raise - and they deserve a big parade with lots of flags. I would like to lead that parade, carrying the largest flag. And I would like the country to proclaim that never again will a war be fought unless it is our last resort. Let's create a world in which, when people see the Stars and Stripes, they will think of us as the people who brought peace to the world, who brought good-paying jobs to all citizens and clean water for the world to drink. In anticipation of that day, I am putting my flag out today, with hope and with pride.

Originally Posted by PittsburghAfterDark I'll start out with the television ratings for the 10-11PM EDT hour the networks gave the convention and compare them with the 2000 convention that nominated Al Gore. ABC News Jennings 3.5 RATING/5 SHARE [DOWN FROM 4.5/8 IN 2000] NBC News Brokaw 3.3/5 [2000:4.8/9] CBS News Dan Rather 3.2/5 [2000:3.8/7] In cable news FOX News is not giving the DNC gavel to gavel coverage and MSNBC and CNN executives have already decried FOX for not showing the opening performance of the national anthem. During the Al Gore speech Bill O'Reilly showed a bit of it and cut away sneering at the sheer lies Gore was telling in the >2 minutes he covered the speech. For those of you that are saying the Michael Moore/moveon.org/democrats underground.com wing of the DNC is not controlling the debate and the tone of the election? Why look at who is sitting in the Presidential box next to James Earl Carter. Why, it's Michael Moore... the moderate. Next we'll examine John Kerry's latest poll numbers that will support the claim I made last week that John Kerry and John Edwards will recive no perceptable bounce in poll numbers from this week of events. Here are the latest ABC/Washington Post poll numbers on some key election issues. Issue Now: Bush Now: Kerry Month Ago: Bush Month Ago: Kerry Terrorism 55 37 48 47 Taxes 49 43 41 53 Health Care 44 47 38 56 Iraq 52 40 49 47 Education 44 45 43 52 Economy 47 46 45 50 Trust to Handle Terrorism Group Now: Bush Now: Kerry In June: Bush In June: Kerry Women 46 43 40 56 Moderates 50 43 42 54 Independents 50 40 48 48 Vote Preference Among Issue Groups Most Important Issue Now: Bush Now: Kerry June: Bush June: Kerry Economy (27%) 46 47 37 54 Iraq (21%) 30 63 33 60 Terrorism (20%) 79 17 76 20 I was overwhelmingly shocked by that lead on the terrorism issue. Candidate Attributes Best Describes: Now: Bush Now: Kerry June: Bush June: Kerry Honest 46% 40 40 52 Consistent 64 24 60 34 Understands 42 46 37 55 Strong leader 55 36 50 45 Shares Your 49 43 46 48 Values Will Make the 54 38 53 42 Country Safer Link to ABC News/Washington Post Poll Results Next out of the news headlines! Rolling here..... Whoopi Goldberg now considered "radioactive" by Kerry campaign. Translation: Thanks for the money, sorry you got fired from Slim Fast now stay the Shaq'fu away from us or you'll cost us votes. Say, hi Michael! Would you like me to walk you to your seat next to President Carter? The good news is that tonight is Chappaquiddick night at the DNC in Boston. This year marks the 35th summer anniversary of Ted's valiant romp in the Massachusetts night to save his own life while letting Mary Jo Kopechne take one for the remnants of Camelot. So let's hear it for Ted and his display of aquarobics! For those of you not familiar with Chappaquiddick here's a helpful summary page. Now the big news from the big cheese, John F'ing Kerry himself, is that he would extend the 9/11 commision for another 18 months.... 18 months longer from when they submitted thier FINAL REPORT. Nothing like keeping groups of government employees around longer than their stated reason for being huh? This is really, really useful. As always.... LINKY LINKY! In the same article JFK wannabe states that Isn't that just peachy? If he were President he would have steamrolled Congress back into session over their long scheduled summer recess. He would have forgone his own convention to ipliment recommendations before ink on the paper was dry and the CIA, NSA, FBI, DIA or Pentagon had a chance to agree, disagree or even say "we're already in the process of doing that". But dammit! We would have had ACTION! We would be acting decisvely! America would be safe by the time NFL training camps broke! Okay, that's enough for today. Now remember to grab your snorkels and watch Uncle Ted preach about morality and public service virtue tonight. By the way? Why haven't we heard about gay marriage from Boston yet? Isn't Massachusetts the pioneer in one of the last great "civil rights" issues of our times?

And yet, polls indicate that Bush and Kerry are basically tied. The numbers you quote must therefore be meaningless, otherwise Bush would have a commanding lead in the polls.

Kerry is supposed to have a huge bounce this week in the polls after the convention, but he was also supposed to have one after he chose his VP. If he doesn't get a substantial bounce after the DNC he is going to be through.

I wish they'd extend the 9-11 commission. There is no way it should have had to release it findings at the outset of campaign season. That was just asking for a half-ass job.

And who gives a damn how Moore dresses. Crap, if that's the avenue you need to approach from when attacking him, do some self-examination and come back to us with something a little more substantial, something meaningful... something relevant.

And even if his garb were a matter of relevancy (as if politics in this nation needed to become -more- of a freaking pony show), this is Micheal Moore we're talking about. This is his uniform, his fighting togs. He's tried a suit... have you seen him in a suit?

Originally Posted by Squirms Kerry is supposed to have a huge bounce this week in the polls after the convention, but he was also supposed to have one after he chose his VP. If he doesn't get a substantial bounce after the DNC he is going to be through.

People didn't accept Clinton in '92 until after the presidential debates.

Originally Posted by E-Z-B People didn't accept Clinton in '92 until after the presidential debates.

There may not be a debate this time, though.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla There may not be a debate this time, though.

What do you mean?

Bush may choose not to participate.

Its just speculation now, though.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla There may not be a debate this time, though.

Why is Bush not going to Debate? That would be hillarious if he refuses to debate.

If he wins without debating then it just shows how stupid the American people actually are!

Originally Posted by E-Z-B People didn't accept Clinton in '92 until after the presidential debates.

Clinton took the lead in July, before any debates took place, and by quite a large margin. Dukakis also was ahead in the polls by this time in the season, as much as 17 points ahead.