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I hope everyone who doesn't listen to the cagcast because of the navy ads is consistent and doesn't drive anywhere because of those incessant billboards, leaves theaters when there is product placement, doesn't watch tv, and doesn't go to a website with ads, like maybe cag? Or you are a dummy who can't stand any changes and sends emails and cries about it.

More Navy ads, please. You could also add Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard as well. Whatever pisses off all these anti-military assholes.

I don't know which is more distasteful, the suggestion that the Navy preys upon naive young adults, or the suggestion that people only serve in the Navy because they didn't know any better.

Besides, the Navy is benefiting from an increase in recruits who want to avoid ground combat, to the detriment of the Army and Marine Corps. They don't need to decieve anyone.

If you're savvy enough to not be persuaded by advertisements, what is the problem?

A well-written and thorough topic post, a rarity here or elsewhere (especially the latter!) these days. That said, while I'm not going to say your passion is misdirected, I will opine that the ads are unobtrusive enough and short enough to be totally innocuous. Let's be honest here: does anyone really think a minute or so of Navy banter is going to get some Halo punk to enlist? With all due respect to those serving our country, I'm going to wager that these (along with anything else NOT in the typical gamer's wheelhouse) are going to be summarily ignored.

Now, if Cheapy and/or Wombat were to start blurring the lines and dropping Navy plugs like a half-drunk 'play-by-play' guy pitching for his friend's Italian restaurant or barber shop during the "High School Game of the Week", then we've got an issue worth raising the CAG Defcon level for. As it stands, I don't feel like the Navy ads have 'compromised' the CAGcast, and I don't think the ads are going to work. At all. But if the military wants to try....

Ok first of all, Cheapy, you just jumped up a few thousand notches on my respect scale. I completely take back anything detrimental I may have implied about you, especially when it comes to listening to your listeners. I was wrong to assume I needed to address my issues to Wombat, especially since he's probably so swamped with his new job and all.

As far as the Navy being an A-list advertiser, I completely agree. But if there was one thing that could be changed in all of this, it's that I hope the CAGcast can find a different, and hopefully more relevant, A-list advertiser. Maybe some big game publisher, or an electronics retailer.

To everyone who has jumped on me without even reading what I said in the first place, you're not really adding to the discussion. I tried to address these in the OT, but it seems some clarification is in order.

A) I am not complaining about ads in of themselves. Skipping 30 seconds is no more annoying for me than it is for any of you. Or, heaven forbid, listening to a little spiel telling me about a cool new game release! That's kind of why I listen to the show in the first place, eh? If it makes Cheapy and Wombat some extra cash, all the better.

B) When I say "sharks," I am NOT reffering to the US Navy. I have nothing but respect for the people working in civil defense. I am referring to the recruiters, and I would not be so short-sighted as to lump them in with the Navy itself.


C) Who said anything about people dropping their ipods and running to recruitment centers? Are you trying to say that advertising doesn't work? And what does in-game violence have to do with this?

D) Kosh, no one here is "anti-military," and no one here is an "asshole." Why do you desire people to be pissed off, anyways? This discussion is centered around avoiding that. I'm trying to be as articulate and adult as I can about this.

Originally Posted by jollydwarf Let's be honest here: does anyone really think a minute or so of Navy banter is going to get some Halo punk to enlist?

Heh, the Navy sure seems to think so. Thank you as well for your well-written and thorough reply, it's a bit easier to read than some of the other posts here.

And thanks to everyone who has added their two cents, it's nice to hear everyone's opinion.

Originally Posted by DesertEagleXIX I've said this in the other thread and let me say it again: Cheapy and Wombat put at least 4 hours into every show. The Cagcast is usually a 90 minute MP3, with outlining and production I'm sure they put at least 4 hours of effort in. And yet people complain about a few seconds of ads. Jeez, can you be anymore ungrateful?

well thats cheapy's job, so i don't think you can saint him yet, it probably is hardwork, but this pushes his CAG brand which increases members, which increases ad revenue. While wombat has gotten so much games, gaming schwag, access to events and even jobs from being on the CAGcasts that he is hardly altruistic in his doing of the podcasts

I dont fault either of them, but just realize its not just from the good of their hearts alone.

I do respect everyones opinions but what's the big deal? Just enjoy the show.
A couple of ads are not going to hurt you.

A couple of ads are not going to hurt you.

*whacks head on brick wall*

This isn't about me. What is so difficult to understand about this? I spent a lot of time trying to make my writing easy to read, and my point easy to get. I apologize, because I've evidently failed on these counts. Where did I go wrong?

Originally Posted by Justme8800 As far as the Navy being an A-list advertiser, I completely agree. But if there was one thing that could be changed in all of this, it's that I hope the CAGcast can find a different, and hopefully more relevant, A-list advertiser. Maybe some big game publisher, or an electronics retailer.

Trust me, I'd love to be in a situtation where I could pick and choose!

You say your problem is with the military in your first post Justme, Maybe it is JUST YOU. Where do you think military recruiters come from? If you don't listen to the show move on, I don't go talking about what tv shows should change so I would watch them again, I move on with my life.

My podcast has no advertisements at all



And to the OP, if you don't like that aspect of the show, skip over it, or don't listen at all. Problem solved.

Seriously, you guys actually hear the ads? I just automatically tune out advertisements I hear, be it on podcasts, television, radio, etc...

For the next person who creates a thread about the Navy ads Cheapy should rename them " Navy" and have their custom title " Accelarate Your Life".

This doesn't bother me at all, in fact I like how Cheapy is donating the money he gets to charity, that is a class act thing to do.

Your username describes how many people care

I think the OP summed it up himself: "I started taking the podcast for granted". You know, free entertainment sure is nice, isn't it?

Plus, it probably took you as long to write your angsty soliloquy as it would have taken to listen to two or three episodes' worth of ads.

And as I said in another thread, as someone old enough to remember life before podcasts, tivo, and bittorrent -- a time when we watched TV on the (wait for it) TV and radio on the radio... with a constant stream of ads supporting that FREE ENTERTAINMENT... let me just offer to call the WAAAAAHHHBulence, you overdramatic whiner.

Has anyone heard very begining of the current Fanboys podcast? They do a spoof on the Navy podcast ads, pretty funny.

http://thefanboys.com/podpress_trac/...chcast_029.mp3

Originally Posted by CheapyD Trust me, I'd love to be in a situtation where I could pick and choose!

That's not the case? That wasn't the impression I got from CAGcast 95, my bad. Something about you not even needing the money, I must have misunderstood. Sorry 'bout that.

Originally Posted by catapult37 I think the OP summed it up himself: "I started taking the podcast for granted". You know, free entertainment sure is nice, isn't it? Plus, it probably took you as long to write your angsty soliloquy as it would have taken to listen to two or three episodes' worth of ads. And as I said in another thread, as someone old enough to remember life before podcasts, tivo, and bittorrent -- a time when we watched TV on the (wait for it) TV and radio on the radio... with a constant stream of ads supporting that FREE ENTERTAINMENT... let me just offer to call the WAAAAAHHHBulence, you overdramatic whiner.

If I was paying for the CAGcast, I'd be pissed about this fiasco. As it is, I'm just disappointed. It's not my place to tell Cheapy and Wombat what they can and can't do. But, as a member of the CAG community, am I not at least entitled to an opinion? And is it wrong to try and share that opinion in the most eloquent way I can?

Let me say this AGAIN; I do not have a problem with advertisements in nature. I do not have a problem with CAG Foreplay recommending GoDaddy every show. I would not have a problem with it if they spent two minutes an episode on ads. My problem is with:

1. Cheapy's bogus rationale for doing the ads in the first place. "Industry cred?" The first time some development studio goes "Oh, CAGcast? Aren't they the guys who have A-list advertisers? Give 'em the scoop!" I'll eat every word I've typed about this. "I don't even want the money" was insulting, and it makes me feel that the ads had little benefit to the CAGcast for the listeners it lost. Not to mention, I was under the impression I was supporting CAG already by shopping through links on the site. As for the charity, CAG would do a lot better to do what they did last year, have everyone donate ten bucks in CAG's name. This year, they're gonna get a lot more of "well, I've already listened to the ads, and that money is going to Child's Play, so I've done my part."

2. Military recruiters. Stop reading now if you don't agree with this, because reason 1 is the main issue, and this is just icing of the proverbial cake. There are many people in the country who would A) sign up regardless of being told to, to serve their country, and there are many more people who would B) sign up in the event of the military actually needing more personnel resources, like in WWII, to serve their country. ATM our esteemed commander in chief is grinding resource A into the ground in Iraq, and if he is to continue his crusade in Iran as planned, he needs to draw off resource B. Problem is, he needs to convince resource B that his oil crusade is worth their lives they may lose. This unfortunate task falls on the recruiters, who channel this insanity into the next starry-eyed, patriotic 17y/o gullible enough to believe he'd be fighting for his homeland.

Point 2 is all but moot, as I realize nobody cares about it, except for the majority of the world population. Point 1 is actually relevant, and is the principle I can't manage to ditch in order to listen to the excellent CAGcast. CAG does not have anything in the way of "industry cred" to gain from turning the podcast into a sellout whore. CAG already gets many scoops from insiders, moreso than the average commercial show under embargo to not say anything until the whole gaming world already knows about it.

Also, I am not an "overdramatic whiner" in need of a "wahmbulance." I am someone with an apparently unpopular point of view. Just because you lack the insight to see from someone else's point of view, despite the fact that I am willing to spend so much effort explaining it to you, does not make it appropriate for you to insult me like that. You have a different opinion then I do, yet I am not calling you anything worse than a peremptory philistine.

Now can we please cool it with the disparaging comments, and can someone please explain why they think I am looking at this the wrong way? I am not trying to troll here, I honestly want to understand why the CAG community is, by and large, taking this lying down. Thank you.

~Justme8800

P.S. Yes, I am aware that I need a new pseudonym. Thank you for pointing that out.

You know, I got carried away. I apologize for the name-calling and general tone of my message, which was uncalled for. I disagree with you, but that's no reason to get all flamey. And I will agree with you on one point: Cheapy's rationale for the ads comes off sounding a little strange. It's nice that his cut will go to benefit charity, but I don't get the impression that that was the driving reason behind the decision. The "industry cred" argument is a bit odd.