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Originally Posted by Justme8800 That's not the case? That wasn't the impression I got from CAGcast 95, my bad. Something about you not even needing the money, I must have misunderstood. Sorry 'bout that. If I was paying for the CAGcast, I'd be pissed about this fiasco. As it is, I'm just disappointed. It's not my place to tell Cheapy and Wombat what they can and can't do. But, as a member of the CAG community, am I not at least entitled to an opinion? And is it wrong to try and share that opinion in the most eloquent way I can? Let me say this AGAIN; I do not have a problem with advertisements in nature. I do not have a problem with CAG Foreplay recommending GoDaddy every show. I would not have a problem with it if they spent two minutes an episode on ads. My problem is with: 1. Cheapy's bogus rationale for doing the ads in the first place. "Industry cred?" The first time some development studio goes "Oh, CAGcast? Aren't they the guys who have A-list advertisers? Give 'em the scoop!" I'll eat every word I've typed about this. "I don't even want the money" was insulting, and it makes me feel that the ads had little benefit to the CAGcast for the listeners it lost. Not to mention, I was under the impression I was supporting CAG already by shopping through links on the site. As for the charity, CAG would do a lot better to do what they did last year, have everyone donate ten bucks in CAG's name. This year, they're gonna get a lot more of "well, I've already listened to the ads, and that money is going to Child's Play, so I've done my part." 2. Military recruiters. Stop reading now if you don't agree with this, because reason 1 is the main issue, and this is just icing of the proverbial cake. There are many people in the country who would A) sign up regardless of being told to, to serve their country, and there are many more people who would B) sign up in the event of the military actually needing more personnel resources, like in WWII, to serve their country. ATM our esteemed commander in chief is grinding resource A into the ground in Iraq, and if he is to continue his crusade in Iran as planned, he needs to draw off resource B. Problem is, he needs to convince resource B that his oil crusade is worth their lives they may lose. This unfortunate task falls on the recruiters, who channel this insanity into the next starry-eyed, patriotic 17y/o gullible enough to believe he'd be fighting for his homeland. Point 2 is all but moot, as I realize nobody cares about it, except for the majority of the world population. Point 1 is actually relevant, and is the principle I can't manage to ditch in order to listen to the excellent CAGcast. CAG does not have anything in the way of "industry cred" to gain from turning the podcast into a sellout whore. CAG already gets many scoops from insiders, moreso than the average commercial show under embargo to not say anything until the whole gaming world already knows about it. Also, I am not an "overdramatic whiner" in need of a "wahmbulance." I am someone with an apparently unpopular point of view. Just because you lack the insight to see from someone else's point of view, despite the fact that I am willing to spend so much effort explaining it to you, does not make it appropriate for you to insult me like that. You have a different opinion then I do, yet I am not calling you anything worse than a peremptory philistine. Now can we please cool it with the disparaging comments, and can someone please explain why they think I am looking at this the wrong way? I am not trying to troll here, I honestly want to understand why the CAG community is, by and large, taking this lying down. Thank you. ~Justme8800 P.S. Yes, I am aware that I need a new pseudonym. Thank you for pointing that out.

are you for serious? think about what you're saying -

i don't know how to put this in plainer english so bear with me, savior of the oppressed advertiser haters -

CheapyD is trying to create a business - starting from scratch (the website) branching out to other levels (cagcast) - his business decisions are his own and he's been more than willing to listen to Cag feedback - but you can't knock him for accepting a grade-A (and if you can't figure out that the NAVY has big bucks and influence, especially on the 18-25 male bracket, you are retarded) advertiser unless you wanna go ahead and lay down some cash (which, by the way, you haven't because you get the cagcast, cag.com, videogame news and deals updates, community, forum support etc. FOR FREE).

what does Child's Play have to do with your topic?
furthermore, what does the war in iraq (or whevever) have to do with the CAGcast?
Who cares what Cheapy does with his money? I think he did that in part to show that he's not trying to betray our loyalty (which he shouldn't because i fully support him making money).

Small companies start with small advertisement - in this case it's a big break - but normally he would be sponsored by shitty ass companies (like madcat). Give the CAGcast 1-2 years and then see who's dope he's pushing.

Are you actually one of those people that think that people in Pepsi commercials only drink Pepsi?

i can think for myself, i don't need your World Affairs 101 bullshit up in my CAGcast, that shit is for the Lifestyle forum.

do not want.......

I've been a long time listener to the cast since about show 40... It’s been entertaining and definitely something I look forward to listen to during my commute to work... with that being said, I was of the same opinion JustMe when I first heard the ads.

I felt they were hokey and out of place, unlike the 1up show's video podcast that uses real video game related sponsorships. (at last notice, I stopped watching it months ago)

But then my other weekly podcasts started doing stranger things than having small 30 second ads. Things like posting a cast on its website rather than being able to be downloaded conveniently via iTunes. Things like begging for donations at the beginning of there casts. That’s why I decided to create a screenname and leave a post.

Cheapy, keep the ads… hopefully you get some videogame related sponsorships.

You and wombat do an awesome job of giving a different point of view rather than the usual nerdy fandom that other video game podcasts are littered with. (destructoid, 1up) Just two regular dudes who talk up video games. Keep up the excellent work.

Hear, hear, DirtyDuck. It could certainly be a lot worse! Just because all the "cool" podcasts are doing something, it doesn't mean that they have to. As long as Cheapy and Wombat keep that in mind, and don't succumb to podcast peer pressure, I'm happy with whatever ads they want to run. I'm only boycotting the show until the navy ads are over, because frankly Cheapy sounded like a teenager whose friends convinced him to start shooting up. If he could just attest that he's not doing it for the "image," than most of my cause is justified, certainly enough to shut me up.


To answer Sleepkyng's questions, I thought I laid it out when I brought them up. Child's play is the charity that Cheapy said he'd donate the money he "doesn't need" to, and that CAG had a hugely successful fundraiser for last year.

The war in Iraq, I agree, shouldn't have any place in the CAGcast (or it's forums). So that's why I think the Navy, and by extension the war they are fighting, shouldn't be in the CAGcast.

What did I say that brought up your pepsi analogy? Do I come across as stupid or retarted to you? Just because I don't agree with your groupthink doesn't indicate my intellegence, and I shouldn't have to explain that to you.

As for Cheapy's business, what about it? He is smart, and he knows to listen to his listeners. If he pisses them off so they stop listening, that's not getting him any closer to bigger advertisers. That's how any television or radio show works. If I don't tell them why I've stopped listening and their number has gone down by one, what's the point of not listening? Self-gratitude? I may not be a very loud voice, and I may not make a big difference, but I owe it to the CAGcast to throw my pebble against the wall.

~Justme8800

I'm just itching to respond here, but I'm going to hold my tongue... this isn't the place for politics - that's for the Lifestyle forum and that's why I avoid that forum...

But I did want to say that I support Cheapy's decision... the ads are short and unobtrusive, IMO. Also wanted to say that there is myself and likely some others who would stop listening if Cheapy *denied* the Navy ad's simply because they were military related...

And thank you to all our military CAGs!

Okay, now for my opinion that no one asked for. Personally, I don't much like the fact that they are Navy ads, but that's also why I fast forward whenever they start. Now, personally I was hoping that instead of 60 seconds of Navy ads in the show, we instead has 30, 2 second ads for Sun Chips. How awesome would that be?

Cheapy: Wombat, Guitar Hero 3 is out.
Wombat: Eat sun chips.
Cheapy: Have you picked yours up yet?
Wombat: Yes, I have. Eat sun chips.

Huh, huh? I want a Sun Chips advertisment damn it.

P. S. - As much as I don't like the idea of them being sponsored by the US government. Look at it like I do. CheapyD has only lost money from me, because I got a CAG bracelet for me, a fellow cag and my gf without even paying the extra postage of 51 cents for the three combined. So, if Cheapy and Wombat get $80 something odd dollars a piece per show for me having to listen to a couple of Navy ads, then I can fast foward a few seconds for them to make a buck.

I'd prefer a different advertiser, but eh what can ya do?

The ads really aren't that bad.

Well I dont know about you guys but Im joining ASAP!

Everybody needs to relax, its 1:30 of the whole show and its not like the "real" radio where you cant fast foward.

Originally Posted by Justme8800 The war in Iraq, I agree, shouldn't have any place in the CAGcast (or it's forums). So that's why I think the Navy, and by extension the war they are fighting, shouldn't be in the CAGcast.

I think you just told us the real, underlying reason why you are against the ads. There is nothing about the Iraq war in the Cagcast. You can be supportive of the US Navy and the men and women that serve, and still be against the war.

Originally Posted by msdmoney I think you just told us the real, underlying reason why you are against the ads. There is nothing about the Iraq war in the Cagcast. You can be supportive of the US Navy and the men and women that serve, and still be against the war.

Likewise, you can be supportive of the Navy and still be against their misleading recruiting campaigns. Anyone who's actually been in a naval battle can affirm that there come's a good deal of baggage with "seeing the world," "being a man," and getting that scholarship. Anyone who joins the Navy aware of this has my absolute and complete respect. Anyone who is convinced by their deceivingly glamorous spiel has that, but they also have my sympathy.

The real, underlying reason I am against the ads has nothing to do with the Navy, it has to do with Cheapy's baloney reasons for running the ads in the first place. If my problem was with the Iraq War, don't you think I would have actually mentioned it in my rants? What would be the point of trying to boycott something while not explaining why?

There is an awful lot of bitching in this thread about something we listen to for free.

I have an Idea cheapyD. There is a better way to skip the ads. Since you are using an iMac now you can do this. Enhanced podcasts. What you can do is set chapters in the podcast which will make it much easier for users to skip the ads. Kinda like going to "the next track" on a cd or ipod but still being in the same file. Check it out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_podcast. Only hting you will have to do is put apicture corresponding to the chapter but that's all.

Enhanced podcasts are itunes/ ipod only. While awesome, you would have to have an MP3 feed or cut out a large percentage of your audience

Originally Posted by usickenme Enhanced podcasts are itunes/ ipod only. While awesome, you would have to have an MP3 feed or cut out a large percentage of your audience

It Is in quicktime as well. I still think it's a good idea.

Great idea and all, guys, but that's sort of solving the wrong problem... besides, I doubt any advertiser would go for that, much less the Navy.

As for "bitching," what? Do you think Cheapy would rather I just stopped listening and didn't explain why? Or would it be better to rectify a show-stopping problem that can be trivially fixed?

Maybe you have some scrupulous issues with dogfighting. If the CAGcast took on some advertising from a dogfighting scout, would you just sit there and listen to it like a good little consumer? No, you'd take issue with it. I'm not saying the Navy are like dogfighters, but maybe you've gotten my point.

~Justme8800

Wombat seems to be more prepared and eager to do the show each week now that he's getting a little $$$. Plus Cheapy is donating his cut to charity. If anything its enhanced the program and the image of CAG.

Originally Posted by Justme8800 Great idea and all, guys, but that's sort of solving the wrong problem... besides, I doubt any advertiser would go for that, much less the Navy. As for "bitching," what? Do you think Cheapy would rather I just stopped listening and didn't explain why? Or would it be better to rectify a show-stopping problem that can be trivially fixed? Maybe you have some scrupulous issues with dogfighting. If the CAGcast took on some advertising from a dogfighting scout, would you just sit there and listen to it like a good little consumer? No, you'd take issue with it. I'm not saying the Navy are like dogfighters, but maybe you've gotten my point. ~Justme8800

The only point you keep making, is that you are a dumbass. It seems the majority don't mind the ads, they either fast forward through them or just mentally block them out. Oh, wait, there might be that large percentage that go out and enlist in the Navy...

Originally Posted by Kosh The only point you keep making, is that you are a dumbass. It seems the majority don't mind the ads, they either fast forward through them or just mentally block them out. Oh, wait, there might be that large percentage that go out and enlist in the Navy...

Good lord, how many bleedin' times do I have to say it? It's the principle of the thing! Not annoyance, not worry that a few CAGs on the fence are going to sign up, no, those are fine!

I CANNOT simply "fast-forward" past the fact that Cheapy is trying to pass the CAGcast as any other two-bit streetwalker of a podcast. I CANNOT "fast-forward" past him saying "I don't even need the money," because I've already heard him say it. I cannot "fast-forward" past my moral conscience like it's worth less than a podcast, no matter how entertaining it is. I'm thrilled for you that you can do it, but fast-forwarding does not solve any problems.

And even if you could find a dictionary with the definition for "dumbass" in it, I don't think you would find that it says "a person who disagrees with the majority." Just because I think you are an ignorant and heartless troll doesn't give me an excuse to call you names. What have I said, out of four pages of explaining, that wasn't well supported and logical? What did I say that led you to believe I am someone of comparable intellegence to a retarded donkey? One day you will learn that there are people who think differently than you do in this world, and that many of them are actually wiser than you are.

~Justme8800

P.S. Sorry to anyone who had to sit through that. I know that in any argument, resorting to name calling is a concession of defeat, but it still sets me off like nothing else.

Originally Posted by Justme8800 As for "bitching," what? Do you think Cheapy would rather I just stopped listening and didn't explain why? Or would it be better to rectify a show-stopping problem that can be trivially fixed? Maybe you have some scrupulous issues with dogfighting. If the CAGcast took on some advertising from a dogfighting scout, would you just sit there and listen to it like a good little consumer? No, you'd take issue with it. I'm not saying the Navy are like dogfighters, but maybe you've gotten my point. ~Justme8800

I don't stop watching my favorite TV shows because they have ads I don't like on them, and I don't walk out of theaters because they have ads before movies now, and I'm certainly not going to stop listening to the CAGCast because of a 30 second ad I can skip over.