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Check it out. Words just fail me.

Also I honestly don't understand how Republicans think they'll hurt Obama's stance in the Democratic Party by unleashing a Black opponent whose views expoused are less than desirable to the American people, or at least to me for this circumstance.

You expect a link to a CD from an Asian music store to be proof of this?

Original link in case of edit.

Originally Posted by PittsburghAfterDark You expect a link to a CD from an Asian music store to be proof of this?

Hehe

Link to Actual News Story

God I can't believe I didn't re"copy". X-(

I figured that's what it was going to be, a 17th Ammendment issue. There are better arguments for this than you can imagine. It was put in place to avoid corruption by political machines, Tammany Hall being a good example as any.

However you can also argue that people are better served by having elected representative elect their senator. The one thing that makes me think of this is an Alexis de Tocqueville quote "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money". I think if we had one more level of picking elected leaders we might slow down entitlement spending.

After all, no one felt better about enacting $1.5 trillion in annual entitlements than our own elected officials who are more than happy to spend money that has never been theirs. It's never going to happen of course but it is not as bad a thought as you think it is.

Well Keyes is a crazy dumb, so what do you think he is going to say? Something sane? hahaha

He made fun of Hillary Clinton running for senator in a State that she didn't live in and what is he doing? Oh yeah the same god damn thing.

Originally Posted by PittsburghAfterDark I figured that's what it was going to be, a 17th Ammendment issue. There are better arguments for this than you can imagine. It was put in place to avoid corruption by political machines, Tammany Hall being a good example as any. However you can also argue that people are better served by having elected representative elect their senator. The one thing that makes me think of this is an Alexis de Tocqueville quote "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money". I think if we had one more level of picking elected leaders we might slow down entitlement spending. After all, no one felt better about enacting $1.5 trillion in annual entitlements than our own elected officials who are more than happy to spend money that has never been theirs. It's never going to happen of course but it is not as bad a thought as you think it is.

My problem is I don't want someone electing one of their cronies to a powerful position that I can't get rid of them in even in the next 6 years or after.

There are many things I agree with Keyes on and I believe he's a very sincere and good person. OTOH, his running for Senate in Illinois is just plain wrong, just as Hillary running in New York or Lautenberg being allowed to replace Torricelli in New Jersey. He's not from Illinois (in fact, he already has run for Senate in Maryland!) and therefore shouldn't be allowed to run. He should not have accepted the invitation to run, big mistake. I also have to say I strongly disagree on the Senate elections issue with Keyes as well. Indirectly-elected senators would not allow for as much public control over the body.

He is just there to attack Obama and try and hurt his reputation through libel and slander.

The RNC does not want a smart and successful black person in office, especially a Democrat.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla He is just there to attack Obama and try and hurt his reputation through libel and slander. The RNC does not want a smart and successful black person in office, especially a Democrat.

Agreed. Personally I think they're afraid of him. I mean let's be honest, these days NO one takes Jesse Jackson as seriously but ESPECIALLY no one takes Ted Kennedy seriously. A new Black leader in the forefront would be a great thing though I'd almost like to see Tavis Smiley run for office. I mean THERE'S a great man.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla He is just there to attack Obama and try and hurt his reputation through libel and slander. The RNC does not want a smart and successful black person in office, especially a Democrat.

Think about what you just said...Keyes is black! Oh wait, so is JC Watts, who was House Whip on the Republican side. Slander and libel indeed.

Anyway, on the subject of Obama, I liked some of his speech at the Democratic Convention. Unfortunately, Al Sharpton basically came along the next day and took a big dump over everything he had to say. I have little doubt Obama will win, and hopefully he will make a good senator. He certainly seems up to the job judging by his convention speech.

Originally Posted by elprincipe Think about what you just said...Keyes is black! Oh wait, so is JC Watts, who was House Whip on the Republican side. Slander and libel indeed. Anyway, on the subject of Obama, I liked some of his speech at the Democratic Convention. Unfortunately, Al Sharpton basically came along the next day and took a big dump over everything he had to say. I have little doubt Obama will win, and hopefully he will make a good senator. He certainly seems up to the job judging by his convention speech.

But Keyes is just a token, like Rice and Powell.

The Republicans just choose spineless losers who will not question anything and will follow like sheep.


Obama is smart and successful, and unlike the Republican tokens, he would actually DO things.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla But Keyes is just a token, like Rice and Powell. The Republicans just choose spineless losers who will not question anything and will follow like sheep. Obama is smart and successful, and unlike the Republican tokens, he would actually DO things.

Oh, I see. Anyone who is black and conservative is a "token" and a "spineless loser", but anyone who is black and liberal is "smart and successful" and would "do things".

No, I am saying that the RNC has a tendancy to appoint incopetant black people just because they are black.

There is a history of racism in the republican party, and they needed some black faces high up the ladder.
But they didn't want smart or opinionated people so they just chose some morons that they could keep in line.

I would recommend learning a little about the history of both parties, there is a lot of interesting dirt on both sides that they are currently trying to sweep under the carpet, the democrates have to be politically correct, though, and that could be viewed as either a strength or a weakness, but the republicans are a bit less tactful when dealing with issues of race.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla No, I am saying that the RNC has a tendancy to appoint incopetant black people just because they are black. There is a history of racism in the republican party, and they needed some black faces high up the ladder. But they didn't want smart or opinionated people so they just chose some morons that they could keep in line. I would recommend learning a little about the history of both parties, there is a lot of interesting dirt on both sides that they are currently trying to sweep under the carpet, the democrates have to be politically correct, though, and that could be viewed as either a strength or a weakness, but the republicans are a bit less tactful when dealing with issues of race.

Are you one of the few people in this country who believes Colin Powell is incompetent? Just wondering. And I know quite a bit about the history of both parties. Perhaps you should re-read what went on in the '60s and perhaps realize that the leader of the fight against the Civil Rights Act, Strom Thurmond, was a Democrat at that time. Or maybe you should read up on the history of Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, a former KKK member.

Originally Posted by elprincipe Are you one of the few people in this country who believes Colin Powell is incompetent? Just wondering. And I know quite a bit about the history of both parties. Perhaps you should re-read what went on in the '60s and perhaps realize that the leader of the fight against the Civil Rights Act, Strom Thurmond, was a Democrat at that time. Or maybe you should read up on the history of Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, a former KKK member.

A peice of shit Dixiecrat and a single former KKK member that registered as a Democrat?


Thats devastating, I better switch sides now.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla A peice of shit Dixiecrat and a single former KKK member that registered as a Democrat? Thats devastating, I better switch sides now.

I see you completely fail to answer my points, unsurprisingly.

Originally Posted by elprincipe I see you completely fail to answer my points, unsurprisingly.

You didn't make any points except an insinuation that Democrats were against civil rights. So I replied with a sardonic remark because there were no VALID points to contest.

Originally Posted by Quackzilla You didn't make any points except an insinuation that Democrats were against civil rights. So I replied with a sardonic remark because there were no VALID points to contest.

I mentioned a couple of prominent Democrats who were anti-Civil Rights in response to your baseless comment that all Republicans are racists. And you completely failed to respond to my Colin Powell remark, which I guess isn't too surprising from someone who thinks that no competent black person can be a conservative.

Keyes is against affirmative action, but that is the only reason he is running. He is going up against an intelligent black democrat, so Repubs had to find someone black and educated even if he is not the best person for the job.


Ohh yeah he blames abortions for the reason why god caused 9/11. Apparently the terrorists were messagers from god telling us to change our ways. Keyes sounds very smart indeed.