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Originally Posted by kurrptsenate I thought the multiplayer was the best part of this game, it was just missing chat options. sure, you could argue a human couldn't talk to a spirit, blah blah blah.....shut up

yeah chat and friends list integration would have been great. damn japanese developers.

Originally Posted by Koggit now, it means Clever Rat's Ring + Morion Blade (usually in off-hand, while two-handing something else) -- combined, they'll more than double your damage.

I think my summon help on 2.1 today was using this strategy with a bow. I didn't notice if the Morion blade was on her back, but she just ran around glowing with purposely low health. She just ing cleared rooms with heavy bow attack damage, as I jogged along behind. Maybe she just had the ring on, but either way it was impressive.

P.S. For those first playthrough players looking to clear 4.1 now that the tendency has shifted back to neutral. Make sure you pick up the graverobber's ring. It will make dealing with invaders easier.

Originally Posted by kurrptsenate I thought the multiplayer was the best part of this game, it was just missing chat options. sure, you could argue a human couldn't talk to a spirit, blah blah blah.....shut up

I think chat would have ruined it.

Originally Posted by Saint Noir I think chat would have ruined it.

as long as there was a mute option i don't think it would have ruined it. I do agree that there is something nice about a silent player, when playing with randoms. If you are trying to play with a friend though, chat might be nice. I certainly don't think it's a big detriment to the game.

Originally Posted by orbit18 dang i thought i was gunna get some help with the Maneater. :( anyone near soul level 35 minds helping me later tonight?

I think I have an SL 25 character that can help you out if still needed.

@MP Chat of the discussion.

I think chat would ruin it because as an invader, its great that the blues do not talk to the host. The fear and suspense is there once they receive the invasion message, and it would be further progressed once they receive the message that "the phantom so-so has been slain." With voip, that would ruin the atmosphere. During the times I do coop with my friends, its really not that big of a deal to have anyway.

Had someone run me through 1-2 to kill that oversized butthole, then jumped over to the side of 1-1 and got the brushwood set. That plus the guillotine axe has really pushed me forward.

I recently played through several levels in NG+ with someone while talking via Skype, and it is a TOTALLY different game. This game has so much atmosphere, and having chat while playing co-op totally removes that. I'm very glad I played through NG by myself (had help from a blue on one level only, and it was a stranger so no chat). That said, playing with a friend and chatting is also fun; it's just not Demon's Souls the way it was designed and meant to be played IMO.

Also, it definitely made dealing with invaders and setting up ambushes easier - you're right about that.

my brother and I did some pretty epic ambush setups using google chat while playing. I had my brother hide down the alley at the beginning of 1-3 right where you kill all the red phantom NPCs. I stayed in the middle, awaiting the invader. as he approached, i circled clockwise as to expose his back to my brother who was waiting in the wings. Before he knew what was going on, he was gone lol

How did you get hyper mode? What item did you use? I'm still stuck on him! Why did there have to be two?!?!

hyper mode is when you use the one rat's ring and the morion blade that gives you a considerable damage boost when your health is below 30%.

you use something like makato or cursed weapon to lower your health. when its engaged you will see a rat icon in the top left of the screen. to make it even easier, as if it weren't easy enough, use a miracle like second chance, where, if you die, you are immediately resurrected back to 50% health.

you would not believe how quick shit dies in this game. it takes some practice as your mistakes will cost you dearly, but owning black phantoms was never faster, or bosses

Damn I wonder where you all are getting the good weapons. I'm using a bastard sword +4 and just keep upgrading it.

I went back to this game last night and quickly realized why it had been so long since I had played. I'm at a complete stand still with this game. I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2. I've gone through the beginning part of 4-2 MANY times to harvest some souls, but I just feel like I'm stuck and won't ever progress any further. I think I'm about a soul level 71. Did anyone else have any problems with these areas? Do you have any tips? I've watched youtube videos and I just can't do what they are doing, not sure if I need to level up more or what the deal is.

Originally Posted by orbit18 Damn I wonder where you all are getting the good weapons. I'm using a bastard sword +4 and just keep upgrading it.

get a mirdan hammer from the swamp in 5-2. its a noob weapon, but man, it owns. especially if you forge the weapon to coincide with how you built your character.

Originally Posted by FrankySox I went back to this game last night and quickly realized why it had been so long since I had played. I'm at a complete stand still with this game. I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2. I've gone through the beginning part of 4-2 MANY times to harvest some souls, but I just feel like I'm stuck and won't ever progress any further. I think I'm about a soul level 71. Did anyone else have any problems with these areas? Do you have any tips? I've watched youtube videos and I just can't do what they are doing, not sure if I need to level up more or what the deal is.

the parts you mentioned are the harder parts of those particular levels.

in 3-3, you have to learn when the dragon sees you, and when its ok to move. takes a bunch of trial and error, but I found hitting the objects once, then running back to cover works for me (granted you know when to move)

in 5-2, it helps to have the NPC's armor from 3-2 (guy in the cage) it has great poison resistance. You really only need to be in the swamp long enough to find the fog door and progress you to the next part of the level. hang nears the path at the beginning that has a couple of mini islands. shouldnt be too hard

in 4-2, i think you are probably talking about the giant sword skeletons....no? arrows arrows arrows. If you are talking about the ghosts that shoot a ray of crap at you, roll dodge is your friend, but you'll probably wind up getting hit anyway. Try using second chance or know when to heal. should help a bunch

Originally Posted by FrankySox I'm done with 1 and 2 but I can't get up the damn stairs in 3-3, I can't get through the swamp in 5-2, and I can't get down the stairs in the last part of 4-2.

3-3 is actually very easy, since you can exploit the walls of the stairwell. Just bait the octomen into attacking (their spells will always fizzle if you're not directly in front of them) and back off, they will chase you and a heavy attack will stun them while they're running. Rinse repeat, or you can just wait til their back is turned to noob them with stealth attacks.

5-2 you can actually just run past everything. Just cast warding and sprint past enemies until they give up chase. Rest and repeat. Once you're on the decks, just funnel enemies through breaks in the housing and mow them down. It's actually a really easy level TBH.

I also had some trouble with 4-2. I ended up just playing in body form and summoning a blue phantom to help me there. Arrows really help against the reapers and the skeletons as well.

Originally Posted by kurrptsenate in 3-3, you have to learn when the dragon sees you, and when its ok to move. takes a bunch of trial and error, but I found hitting the objects once, then running back to cover works for me (granted you know when to move)

You're thinking of 2-3. 3-3 is the spiral staircase with the 2 black phantom mind flayers. As someone else said, just make them shoot their spells while you're still partially around the bend of the spiral and the spells will hit the walls. Then fire your own spell, or (if you don't have magic for some reason) run up and attack.

Originally Posted by Saint Noir I think chat would have ruined it.

Chat wouldn't have ruined the entire game, but it goes against the very design principles of the game.

The lack of chat was very very deliberate from the get go. Demon's Souls is supposed to permeate within you a feeling of isolation, despite the summoning aspects. You communicate creatively, through your character, not with your own voice, which makes keeping a careful eye on your summoned allies that much more important.

By the way, figured I'd mention that I received my replacement Demon's Souls guide in the mail last week, in case anyone hadn't received theirs yet.

I would get summon help on 4.2 ... really any time you are in trouble ... but players are generally around to summon there. A good summon helper will just loot with bows on a lot of the tougher enemies and stretches.

I hate 5.x. My hearts sinks just thinking about poison, swamps, and giant trolls. I finally just put on the thief ring and sneaked by the harder parts. I need to go there to get the moonlight sword for my faith build and I'm avoiding it.

as long as you take the giant trolls on when you're on land, they're not too bad. bait a swing, get two hits in, roll back.

its the black phantom trolls that can 1 shot ya

I really can't summon anyone right now because I'm not in body form and I don't have any items that will return me to body form. That's why I was hoping to get through 3-3 or 5-2 so I could return to body then summon someone to help me defeat 4-2. I have NO problem getting past the skeletons with huge swords, just the damn rays that get shot at me. I have been to the boss but man that thing is an absolute beast, I have no idea if I could ever beat that thing by myself.