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CAGcast #143: As Hardcore As They Wanna Be

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Old 12-12-2008, 11:59 AM   #81
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Hardcore means you have to play Halo a lot? Can I be called hardcore while I punch your face in for 12 hours straight while you try to play Halo a lot??

Another reason to hate halo.
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:50 PM   #82
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Actually, being created digitally, Kung Fu Panda benefits greatly on BluRay by being able to transfer its high-definition roots straight over. Now, older movies, such as Clockwork Orange SHOULD have already been at its highest true quality remaster on DVD as it was created on outdated audio & video equipment. Remastering something not created in high-definition would have to fake a lot, such as when they colorized B&W movies. Regardless, if your TV doesn't support the high quality picture, the whole debate is moot.
Sorry, but that's patently false. Older movies and TV shows were shot on film, and unlike digital recordings, film is infinite resolution. So you can digitally scan film at a very high resolution and it looks fantastic in HD (even if it's not necessarily in an HD aspect ratio). That's what Criterion's been doing for years, getting ready for HD formats. That's why there are HD versions of the original Star Trek running late at night. And so on. The only reason there aren't more older films and TV shows on Blu-Ray is because the format is so new (and still very poorly supported) and even HDTV in general has still only been adopted by a fraction of the populace.
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Old 12-12-2008, 02:13 PM   #83
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Sorry, but that's patently false. Older movies and TV shows were shot on film, and unlike digital recordings, film is infinite resolution. So you can digitally scan film at a very high resolution and it looks fantastic in HD (even if it's not necessarily in an HD aspect ratio). That's what Criterion's been doing for years, getting ready for HD formats. That's why there are HD versions of the original Star Trek running late at night. And so on. The only reason there aren't more older films and TV shows on Blu-Ray is because the format is so new (and still very poorly supported) and even HDTV in general has still only been adopted by a fraction of the populace.
I'm no expert, of course, I was using information obtained from watching a commentary from some restored movie on dvd (I don't remember which, but it was a 60s movie) where the restoration crew was talking about what they had to do to remaster the print from the poor negative. Perhaps it is the film stock that the substandard part? I know they said they had to fake the audio seperation due to the lack of technology when the movie was made.
So if film is HD-able, does that mean TV shows not shot on film are out of the running for BluRay?
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Old 12-12-2008, 02:39 PM   #84
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I'm no expert, of course, I was using information obtained from watching a commentary from some restored movie on dvd (I don't remember which, but it was a 60s movie) where the restoration crew was talking about what they had to do to remaster the print from the poor negative. Perhaps it is the film stock that the substandard part? I know they said they had to fake the audio seperation due to the lack of technology when the movie was made.
Obviously, some films will have been preserved better than others, and in almost every case, some restoration work will be done, even with well-preserved stock. But the source material itself is, as I said, infinite in resolution, so it's worth the effort.

And for the record, colorization (which was introduced in the 80s and done with computers, and was in no way associated with the transition to color TV or color film, which happened long before) is not an accurate comparison, since it involves altering and essentially bastardizing the original B&W print to achieve something the original filmmakers never intended. Thankfully, they pretty much abandoned that process almost as soon as they invented it.

Sound is a different matter. Most films up until the late 80s were in mono or stereo, with some exceptions. If they can get their hands on the original audio tracks, they will often do a surround remix (but in many cases will also offer the original mix for the sake of authenticity).

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So if film is HD-able, does that mean TV shows not shot on film are out of the running for BluRay?
No. It just means they won't look as good and will probably be among the last to get a BluRay release. You can only do so much with video tape.

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:34 PM   #85
why was this LATE podcast so bad?
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Old 12-12-2008, 05:35 PM   #86
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Actually, being created digitally, Kung Fu Panda benefits greatly on BluRay by being able to transfer its high-definition roots straight over. Now, older movies, such as Clockwork Orange SHOULD have already been at its highest true quality remaster on DVD as it was created on outdated audio & video equipment. Remastering something not created in high-definition would have to fake a lot, such as when they colorized B&W movies. Regardless, if your TV doesn't support the high quality picture, the whole debate is moot.
I guess I was using Kung Fu Panda because it's animated, I'm less concerned with the amazing cinematics than I would be with something like Terminator or Dark Knight or Planet Earth. Kung Fu Panda I'm guessing will be good in BR, but I won't necessarily feel like I'm losing something if I don't get the BR version. Maybe I should've used Nanny Diaries or something for my example. Just because I can get Hi Def doesn't mean it adds that much more to the experience in some cases.

And I may have been completely off-base with the older movie stuff, again, I'm no expert in the field. I wonder how something like the original of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" would be in BR compared to the DVD I have of it..

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:12 PM   #87
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I've been out of the loop lately on Batman. What it sounds like is that DC is going to kill The Dark Knight off? If so, DC killed Superman and brought him back. Didn't they also bring back Jason Todd? I've been out of it for awhile, I might have to go pick some up if they are going to kill him....Batmans my favorite.
It's all way to confusing because the latest run of the Batbooks ties into a large DC event called Final Crisis, so while he might be dead after RIP in the Batbooks, it has been said that his final fate occurs in Final Crisis.

Yup, they brought back Jason Todd, and he's still sorta unbalanced.
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Old 12-12-2008, 06:17 PM   #88
Oh, and back to the hardcore comment...I agree with Cheapy. The older you get, you just aren't as good...we have less time to play games, if you have a job where your at the computer all day -- your hands are tired, and your reflexes slow. Plus your responsibilities only increase as you get older, not decrease, so that limits your time. All that said, of course we can afford more games than the kids...
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Old 12-12-2008, 06:18 PM   #89
Hey cheapy and wombat. Great show as usual. I just wanted to say thanks cheapy for talking up saints row 2 so much. Because of that I rented it and have been having so much fun playing it this past week that I went out and bought it on sale this week. Thanks again keep of good work guys!!
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Old 12-12-2008, 06:55 PM   #90
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Actually will be a mini-series with him in the upcoming months I read somewhere.
You mean as part of "Battle for the Cowl?"
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Old 12-12-2008, 10:21 PM   #91
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You mean as part of "Battle for the Cowl?"
No I think it'll be completely seperate.
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:13 AM   #92
I just got LBP and its pretty good how ever i think they should change their motto or whatever from create,play, share to create play and f*ck off,just kiddin but their is really no sharing
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:16 AM   #93
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No I think it'll be completely seperate.
Wait, wasn't he dead then out of no where came back to life? Also, does anyone care?
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:14 AM   #94
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Wait, wasn't he dead then out of no where came back to life? Also, does anyone care?
I think he was assumed to be dead, but since he was an avenging angel and given Final Crisis is about evil winning, then maybe he fits in somewhere. These are comic books, so anything goes.
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:21 AM   #95
4 words on "Trading Spaces" on Blueray...

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Old 12-13-2008, 03:58 PM   #96
I loved this episode, good work guys. I don't see what people complain about, if there were no contraversial opinions on the podcast then it wouldn't be much of a show would it?
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:13 AM   #97
Cheapy I don't think that you could emphasize enough that the X4's have Dolby Digital....instead of saying about every other sentence try ever 2 words and see if that helps. But what u had to say about the headset otherwise i liked.
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:43 AM   #98
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Cheapy I don't think that you could emphasize enough that the X4's have Dolby Digital....instead of saying about every other sentence try ever 2 words and see if that helps. But what u had to say about the headset otherwise i liked.
Keep telling em how awesome they are.
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:26 AM   #99
I really enjoyed 142 and 143. The awkward pauses between you two were great because it gave me time to laugh without having to rewind back to the content I laughed over. I really liked the baby stories.

90% of the cagbag questions were beyond terrible for both shows though. The hardcore question was absurd, followed by "Why do you hate LBP?" "Why do hate the PS3, Wombat?", "Saints Row sucks" over and over again. Hell, neither of you guys have ever finished any of the portable games I liked and I don't give a shit. It's okay. You guys responded really well, but I really think Cheapy should choose the questions before the show is recorded (and be picky about it). It's ironic how the audience bitches about how you keep talking about SR and Oblivion but they insist on asking the same damn question over and over again.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:03 AM   #100
Damn it, Cheapy. Your sadness about the donation rate for Child's Play has convinced me to postpone getting in on that crazy deal for Bully and to help little children. I only put in a little bit for now, but if I find the scratch in the next week, I'll put in a few more bucks.
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