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I want a bigger and quieter case, so I'm about sold on the cosmos 1000. I'm not quite sure it'll fit under my desk though, so does anybody have one on here who can measure the exact distance from top to bottom? It says 23.54" on newegg, but does that include the bars?

I've got a little less than 25" under my desk, so if that doesn't include those bars on the top/bottom then I'm probably boned.

id read the reviews for the case on newegg. id imagine if the dimensions are bigger than advertised somebody will have complained about it.

Yeah I've been looking through them, nobody has said anything really specific though (it's huge! Have lots of room!) except one I saw that said to make sure you have 25" or something like that. But I don't know if that came from measurement or they just said a nice round number.

I've seen the actual case, it sounds about right that its under 24" WITH the bars. The corsair 800D is slightly taller than the cosmo and it's 24" tall.

Cool, thanks. My gf has a full tower that's about 22" with its little feet, so it sounds about right that it would be 23.54" with the bars, I'd just hate to get the thing and it's like a quarter of an inch too tall. As long as it's under 24.75" I should be safe. I think I'm going to go for it then, it should be a lot quieter than my current case and have a lot more room anyway.

hey sos, i built this for another thread, its a $200 super budget machine.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=12466925

also, updated htpc

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/M...px?ID=11991685

I need some advice for a non-overclocker mainstream gaming build.

I've looked around the net and it seems most websites & forums gear their recommendations towards OC'ing.

I'm putting together an Intel i5 system as a first build. I've got a pretty good idea of what I'd like, but I'm still unsure about RAM and the PSU.

RAM: Is it really important for a non-overclocker to get fancy RAM? Can I go with whatever is inexpensive & reputable (I'm thinking Kingston ValueRAM)?

PSU: I've plugged my build into some "power supply calculators" online and the results are well below 500w (i.e. 399w on the newegg calc). My build is quite similar to the $800 i5 + HD5770 sample build on page 1, but that build is using a 650w PSU.

Can I shave off some dollars by getting a decent 500w modular PSU instead? Is the extra wattage for future SLI/Crossfire capability? Is it more reliable or something? Or is it just better value to spend that bit more for substantial PSU gain?

Originally Posted by vicesquad RAM: Is it really important for a non-overclocker to get fancy RAM? Can I go with whatever is inexpensive & reputable (I'm thinking Kingston ValueRAM)? PSU: I've plugged my build into some "power supply calculators" online and the results are well below 500w (i.e. 399w on the newegg calc). My build is quite similar to the $800 i5 + HD5770 sample build on page 1, but that build is using a 650w PSU. Can I shave off some dollars by getting a decent 500w modular PSU instead? Is the extra wattage for future SLI/Crossfire capability? Is it more reliable or something? Or is it just better value to spend that bit more for substantial PSU gain?

It's always better to get some better-than-average memory, especially if you're going to overclock. Kingston ValueRAM is considered 'average' because of their lower grade memory chip which likely not able to withstand even mild overclocking. Something like this G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600 would be your most basic companion RAM for overclocking. Kingston ValueRAM isn't considerably cheaper; I would get some quality RAM so you won't run into headaches down the road.

You'll be fine with a quality 500W if you run the i5 750 and 5770. Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, Silverstone, PC Power & Cooling are some quality brands for premium-like price. If you need to go inexpensive, OCZ gives you a decent alternative but their PSU's are of lower quality; they'll work fine but you might have to cross your fingers every time you turn your PC on.

SOS-- He's not going to overclock

I just want to say first off that this thread is awesome and has saved me some serious headache while coming up to speed on recently PC hardware. I have not updated my PC's core components since somewhere around 2006 when I bought an Athlon X2 3800+ and it seems things have changed considerably since then. I just purchased Bad Company 2 and it runs like utter shit so I am finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade my Mobo/CPU/RAM and I was hoping I could just run it by you guys and ask a couple question:

What I currently have:

- ASRock 939Dual-SATA Mobo (has an AGP and PCIE slot... weird right?)
- Athlon X2 3800+ (2.2 Ghz)
- 2 GB DDR2 Crucial RAM
- WD 640 GB SATA Caviar Blue HDD
- BFG GeForce 260GTX OC 896MB
- 550W Antec TruePower PSU

What I want to upgrade:

CPU: Intel i5-750 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=1312731&SID=

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=1312731&SID=

RAM: Crucial 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 - http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...C793F9A5CA7304

Some questions for you experts:

- Is there anything wrong with the components above or anything I should know about recent tech? I haven't really paid much attention to hardware over the past 4+ years.

- Are the quad cores worth purchasing at this point? I notice that the i5 also comes in a dual core with a higher clock rate at around the same price.

- Is there some reason everyone is going with Kingston/Corsair/OCZ these days? I've always using Micron/Crucial for like a decade and it's always been extremely reliable.

Originally Posted by kevlar51 SOS-- He's not going to overclock

Oops. I guess I missed the non part in non-overclocker haha

In that case, to the person who asked, doesn't matter but stick with 1333mhz at minimal.

No worries, thanks for the info, SOS.

I was looking at an OCZ PSU, too. I guess I'll look elsewhere.

Can I get away with a Corsair VX 450w?

Originally Posted by vicesquad No worries, thanks for the info, SOS. I was looking at an OCZ PSU, too. I guess I'll look elsewhere. Can I get away with a Corsair VX 450w?

the comment about the ocz psu is the first questionable thing ive seen sos post.
check their reviews and check whats said about them on toms and anandtech. you shouldnt have any reservations on purchasing one.

Originally Posted by paz9x the comment about the ocz psu is the first questionable thing ive seen sos post. check their reviews and check whats said about them on toms and anandtech. you shouldnt have any reservations on purchasing one.

I think you're more correct here. I'm a bit over exaggerated on the OCZ quality. OCZ PSU makes perfect sense in sub $600 builds where every $10 saved matters. They are quality PSU for their price no doubt. For higher end systems that's where I would start steering away from OCZ and look into the Corsair and Antec TP series. But no need to cross fingers haha, and I believe it's on the recommended PSU list in the first post since day one.

Originally Posted by SpecTrE3353 What I currently have: - ASRock 939Dual-SATA Mobo (has an AGP and PCIE slot... weird right?) - Athlon X2 3800+ (2.2 Ghz) - 2 GB DDR2 Crucial RAM - WD 640 GB SATA Caviar Blue HDD - BFG GeForce 260GTX OC 896MB - 550W Antec TruePower PSU What I want to upgrade: CPU: Intel i5-750 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=1312731&SID= Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=1312731&SID= RAM: Crucial 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 - http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...C793F9A5CA7304 Some questions for you experts: - Is there anything wrong with the components above or anything I should know about recent tech? I haven't really paid much attention to hardware over the past 4+ years.

I think those are all good choices so far. I'm guessing you picked out a micro ATX motherboard because your case doesn't take full size ATX? It's still a solid mATX board though. As for memory, may I recommend G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600? I know it's not Crucial brand that you're accustomed to, but G.SKILL has skyrocketed their status in reliable memory within the past 2 years with great overclocking and stable RAMs. But the Crucial RAM you picked out is fine too.

Originally Posted by SpecTrE3353 - Are the quad cores worth purchasing at this point? I notice that the i5 also comes in a dual core with a higher clock rate at around the same price.

I think quad cores are good buy right now. Their prices are reasonable, many of them (including the i5-750) are good overclockers. Just think of it like even if your quad core has a lower default clock speed, you can always overclock if you need more juice. But with dual core you cannot grow 2 more cores to make it a quad core. So right now if you are going to upgrade, it makes more sense to upgrade to a quad core.

Originally Posted by SpecTrE3353 - Is there some reason everyone is going with Kingston/Corsair/OCZ these days? I've always using Micron/Crucial for like a decade and it's always been extremely reliable.

I think because 5 years ago, you can clearly see the difference between a good brand like Crucial and Micron vs average brands like NEC, Samsung, and Hynix. Crucial had their little fallout couple years ago when many of their stock had faulty memory chips that blue screened many users. But since they picked up their slacks they've been solid again since. At the same time, no name companies like G.SKILL, OCZ, Patriot rose to their current high quality status along side Corsair and Crucial for their solid RAM products. So basically nowadays you just can't go wrong with Corsair, Crucial, Mushkin, G.SKILL, and Kingston. I put OCZ and Patriot below them because they're somewhat inconsistent with their RAM quality. Micron doesn't really market their own retail brand anymore.

I may actually take your suggestion on the RAM... $15 less than the Crucial stuff and it seems to have solid reviews. As far as the mobo goes, I think that was actually an oversight that I linked a micro-ATX... I just listed the first Gigabyte LGA1156 board I saw in-stock on Newegg. After looking around and reading up a little more I think I am actually going to switch to getting this ASUS P55 board instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-634-_-Product

Thanks for the help Troop.

Thanks for updating the thread, I was thinking about going with one of the builds but it looks like some of the parts are OOS....

Got my cosmos 1000 case and put it together yesterday. It's pretty awesome, I'd recommend it. Almost silent compared to my old case, if I replace my stock CPU cooler it'd probably be quieter. It's gigantic and heavy as , but it fits under my desk, so I'm happy.

And btw it's the same price ($180) on Amazon as on Newegg, but with free shipping, which saved me $30.

Hopefully I'm not out of bounds by asking for video card help here.

I want to upgrade to a XFX Radeon HD-5770 from a MSI GeForce 8800GT. It just doesn't perform as great as it used to and I had to underclock it because games would freeze otherwise. Will the 5770 work with this setup?

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2.6 GHz but I believe I can overclock to 3 GHz)
RAM: 2 GBs
Resolution: 1920x1080
OS: Windows XP

Would there be anything that would make the 5770 not work? If you have something better in mind let me know as well.

whats your motherboard and your psu?