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where are the poll numbers that support your point, thrust?

where does the public say "I want reform, but take it slow."

b/c the polls show support for reform, but i've not seen one say that the public wants it to be slow.

But the republicans said that's what the people said. The people want reform very slowly and starting with tort reform, which will save a trillion dollars in the first year.

If you can read this article and still believe we don't need government in health care, there is something wrong with you.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62G2DO20100317

Read it all. It just keeps getting worse.

tl;dr version: Insurance companies will drop you for no reason at all if you file a claim that costs a significant amount of money. Then they'll hold meetings off the record, shred documents, destroy evidence, anything to deny your coverage. They did this to someone with HIV, effectively choosing to end his life to cover a profit margin.

But it's not like this happens often, does it? Totally isolated incident right?

A 2007 investigation by a California state regulatory agency, the California Department of Managed Health Care, bore this out. The DMHC randomly selected 90 instances in which Anthem Blue Cross of California, one of WellPoint's largest subsidiaries, canceled the insurance of policy holders after diagnoses with costly or life-threatening illnesses to determine how many were legally justified. The result: The agency concluded that Anthem Blue Cross lacked legal grounds for canceling policies in every single instance. "In all 90 files, there was no evidence (that Blue Cross), before rescinding coverage, investigated or established that the applicant's omission/misrepresentation was willful," the DMHC report said.

No worries. Their families can collect after they're ing dead.

Do we really live in an era where a 800-word newspaper article qualified for tl;dr?

Oh, sheesh.

Originally Posted by mykevermin Do we really live in an era where a 800-word newspaper article qualified for tl;dr? Oh, sheesh.

tl;dr - one sentence please.

I have Anthem (from VA, not CA, but same shit I guess...). I'm satisfied with my insurance because I've never used it.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...l?video=949486

Just... Just watch about 1:10 is where it gets to the point where... just it.

I read that article earlier, sad thing is i have assurant dental insurance.

good to see SEIU was in full force

also, those guys at 1:10 are freaking jackasses!

Obama on FOX @ 6 pm...his lead-in was Glenn Beck. How many FOX fans will change the channel so they don't have to watch the socialist muslim kenyan fascist professor community organizer?

Originally Posted by IRHari Obama on FOX @ 6 pm...his lead-in was Glenn Beck. How many FOX fans will change the channel so they don't have to watch the socialist muslim kenyan fascist professor community organizer?

You left out arrogant, liar, corrupted, and douchebag

No jputah, your 4 adjectives describe Glenn Beck.

Look, Bret Baier was asking a lot of questions about procedure because thats what they can use to attack the bill. The problem is the procedure they are attacking was used by Republicans countless times, and FOX didn't make a fuss about it.

Look, no one has clean hands here. Democrats took the same position Republicans are now about these processes, and now the tables are turned and both sides are hypocrites.

I'm happy Kucinich flipped today though. That means public option at some point

Originally Posted by IRHari @thrustbucket coolstorybro....now is it rooted in reality? that is, do they have a good reason (via specifics in the bill) that make them believe they'll be forced out or want to leave? colbert was brilliant as usual when he explained all that matters about the polls is that people believe it, it doesnt necessarily have to be based on reality.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003170036

UPDATED EXCLUSIVE: New England Journal of Medicine says it didn't publish or produce health care "survey"

Originally Posted by mykevermin ^ Oh, elprincipe - Congressional Budget Office analysis be damned, I'm not changing my mind no matter what *any* expert says! And get off my lawn, you snot-nosed brats!

We've already had this discussion. If you can't accept the facts about the cost of the overall plan that aren't included in the (rosy) CBO analysis, what more can I say? You just don't want that answer is the only conclusion.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-the-spending/

Is it weird to find this stuff fascinating?

Why is it, just about two weeks ago, Obama was telling us that all he wanted was an "Up or down vote" on the bill, but, now, he's saying we don't really need that?

Originally Posted by Msut77 http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-the-spending/ Is it weird to find this stuff fascinating?

Great link. Thanks.

Originally Posted by UncleBob Why is it, just about two weeks ago, Obama was telling us that all he wanted was an "Up or down vote" on the bill, but, now, he's saying we don't really need that?

Concern troll is concerned.

I think those of us that support reform are sick and tired of giving a hot damn about faux concern.

I find it amusing, that's all.

Obama was *never* interested in an "Up or Down vote". He only wanted an "Up vote." He and his ilk are willing to do anything to make it happen.

And I can't wait for them to do it.

Originally Posted by UncleBob I find it amusing, that's all.

He wants a vote. The first 25% of his presidency and the vast majority of his political capital and goodwill has been spent on trying to get a vote. You have to be stupid at this point to continue to ask politely for something you're never going to get.

Obama was *never* interested in an "Up or Down vote". He only wanted an "Up vote." He and his ilk are willing to do anything to make it happen.

Politician wants bill he supports to pass. News at 11.

Thanks for translating from the original Bob speed.

so they are going to vote on the insurance bailout in 72 hours it looks like